29 Şubat 2008 Cuma

[Dems2008] Re: vp....SNOWE!

Only problem is she might turn him down and decide not to become VP

Brian


--- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, "raschueller" <raschueller@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, "judee6048" <judee3485@> wrote:
> >
> > --
> > I have always like Olympia Snowe I am embarrassed to say I never
> > thought of an Obama-Snowe ticket. I could easily live with that.
> > Judee
>
> Its an out of the Box choice that changes the dynamic on so many
> levels. I can not imagine ANY one in the party not being tickled by
> the choice. It heals wounds and prevents any new wounds from
> festering... namely the HUGE number of potential VP's in the party and
> the egos that go with them.
>
> Obama - Snowe
>
> Pass it on!
>



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[Dems2008] Re: We support to Hillary R. Clinton

Guys whine. It has nothing to do with sexism. Well except maybe your
own attitudes towards womens place in the world. Do you really think
someones sex should excuse their behavior?


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[Dems2008] Re: We support to Hillary R. Clinton

--- I think what you say is true. I don't remember anyone saying a
man was whining. Well, except my husband who says every time Bush
opens his mouth, it sounds like whining.

Sandra

In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, suzi meyers <libertylsmom@...> wrote:
>
> It's only called whining to stand up for yourself when you are a
woman. Just like being strong gets a woman called a b_tch.
Hillary is subject to a much more intense level of scrutiny. Do
not be fooled, sexism is alive and well.
>
> Natasha <objection21@...> wrote:
> The more important question is when has she been treated
unfairly?
> Someone always has to be "the other guy" in politics and until he
> began winning that guy was Obama.
>
> --- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, Rob Harrington <Eamon1916@> wrote:
> >
> > I think if you're using skit comedy as evidence of the
mistreatment
> you're getting close to "whining"...
> >
> > Slainte,
> > Rob Harrington
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Sandra Goodwin <bridger82923@>
> > To: Dems2008@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 1:59:16 PM
> > Subject: [Dems2008] Re: We support to Hillary R. Clinton
> >
> > ---I asked my husband last night.... when did it become whining
to
> > stand up for yourself if you think you are being treated
unfairly?
> > He answered...when you are the other guy.
> >
> > Guess it applies here too.
> >
> > Sandra
> >
> >
> > In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, nancy m gibson <nmgibson@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Oh my heavens!! How terrible Pres Clinton asking for campaign
> > > donations. But of course it is AOK for Sen Obama to ask his
> > > people to dig down into their pockets and send him money for
> > > his campaign even if it is only $5, which was a direct appeal
> > > to poor people to send what they can't afford.
> > > Nan @@
> > >
> > > IT IS NOT WORTH WHILE TO GO AROUND
> > > THE WORLD TO COUNT THE CATS IN
> > > ZANZIBAR.
> > > Henry David Thoreau
> > >
> > >
> > > actually, she is correct: I get the e-mails from Clinton
> campaign,
> > and
> > > they are more and more recently Billo asking for money to
counter
> > Obama.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Dems2008] Obama hits Clinton again on transparency...

Senator Clinton, however, has refused to release her
joint income tax returns until after she were to be
nominated by the Democratic Party. When queried about
this by Tim Russert during the Cleveland debate,
Clinton was evasive and downright clumsy in her
explanation. She told the nation that she hardly has
time to sleep, let alone deal with a tax return. Are
we to believe that Senator Clinton needs time to get
her calculator out and do her own tax returns, as Bill
sits by her side?

No, Senator Clinton is not releasing her tax returns
because there is obviously something in them that she
doesn't want to come out until -- and if -- she gets
the nomination. People who worry about a ticking
bombshell should sure be worried about that one,
because she could release them now with one phone call
to the accountants. The Clintons have gone from being
millions of dollars in debt when they left office to
having assets estimated up to $50 million now. And
Bill is off receiving commissions on some financial
dealings with shady world leaders and financiers. When
will we know the details about these transactions?
Since Senator Clinton lent her campaign $5 million,
did some of the money come from Bill's "rainmaker"
fees?

Well, Senator Clinton, as transparent and as vetted as
she claims to be, isn't telling us.

Then there is the second issue of the incestuous
relationship between contributors to Bill Clinton's
library and charitable funds. It is rumored that he
has accepted money from at least some foreign
contributors who might be seeking favorable
relationships in a Hillary Clinton administration.
When asked about why these contributors are not
revealed, Senator Clinton pulls a rope-a-dope and
claims that it is a decision that is up to Bill, as if
she is powerless to influence him. Once again, where
is the transparency? If there is nothing to hide, why
is it being hidden?

http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/editorblog/056
--- Rob Harrington <Eamon1916@yahoo.com> wrote:

> From her tax records to her White House records...
> Sen Clinton keeps us in the dark...
>
>
>
> During a recent MSNBC debate, Senator Clinton
> was asked if she would release her tax returns. She
> answered, “Well, I
> will do it as others have done it, upon becoming the
> nominee or even
> earlier.” But the very next day, her campaign
> backtracked, saying, “As
> is customary, as the Democratic nominee Sen. Clinton
> will release her
> tax information in April at tax time.”
> But waiting until April is not customary. In
> the 2004 Democratic primary, Governor Dean, Rep.
> Kucinich, Senator
> Lieberman, and Senator Edwards released their tax
> returns in April of
> 2003 â€" a full year earlier in the primary process.
> Senator Kerry
> released his tax returns in December of 2003, and
> General Clark
> released his tax returns in January of 2004.
> Senator Clinton’s refusal to make this very
> basic disclosure has raised a number of eyebrows
> among advocates for
> increased transparency. As her top Ohio supporter
> Governor Ted
> Strickland said in his 2006 campaign, if a candidate
> is not releasing
> his or her “tax return, what is he hiding? We
> should question what’s
> going on.”
> Senator Clinton should explain why she believes
> voters in the upcoming primaries shouldn’t have
> access to the same
> information as voters in the general election.
> Senator Obama has made a practice of releasing
> his tax returns (the summary and the schedules),
> because he believes
> that after seven years of secrecy from the Bush
> Administration, we need
> increased transparency in our government. Allowing
> voters to evaluate
> this information is good for the process, but this
> is particularly true
> when a candidate decides to use his or her own
> personal fortunes to
> fund their campaign, which Senator Clinton did when
> she loaned her
> campaign $5 million.
> Senator Clinton’s refusal to release her tax
> returns is part of a pattern of secrecy that has
> imbued her campaign
> and raises questions about the sort of change she
> would be willing and
> able to bring to Washington.
> Equally troubling is the fact that three years
> after Senator Clinton said all the record in the
> Clinton library would
> be available, less than 300,000 of the 78 million
> documents have been
> released.
> In the debate, Senator Clinton tried to cast
> some of the blame on the White House for the delayed
> release of her
> records, saying, “Now, also, President Bush claims
> the right to look at
> anything that is released, and I would urge the Bush
> White House to
> move as quickly as possible.” But White House
> Press Secretary Dana
> Perino said that Clinton representatives have known
> since Jan. 31 that
> the documents â€" Senator Clinton's daily public
> schedule during her
> husband's presidency â€" have been deemed ready for
> public release by the
> National Archives. “To my knowledge, we have not
> been contacted by Mrs.
> Clinton or anyone else about moving more quickly
> with the review and
> release of Clinton material, specifically, her
> schedules.”
> Senator Clinton’s misleading answers andrefusal to
> release her taxes and her White House records speak
> to thefundamental choice facing voters in this
> election â€" more of the sameWashington games or
> change the American people can believe in.
> Slainte,
> Rob Harrington
>
>
>
>

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[Dems2008] Superb Read about Obama Rezko

Let's explore two issues of potential unknown
downsides for Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

We'll start with Obama's Rezko association because we
are well-steeped in Illinois politics, being in
Chicago, and have been following the Rezko case with
great interest.

The first item of interest to know is that the Rezko
prosecution is being pursued by the U.S. Attorney for
the Northern District of Illinois Patrick Fitzgerald
-- yes, the same one who convicted Scooter Libby as a
special prosecutor. The second thing to know is that
Rezko is one of those perennial scumbags who gives
large sums of money -- along with getting "business"
acquaintances to do the same -- to politicians in the
hope that eventually he will get a "pay-off" in terms
of getting government contracts or state jobs for
people, of which he gets a cutback. (We should qualify
that although Rezko hasn't been convicted of anything
and is thus presumed innocent, he has been indicted.)

The Clintons know this type of parasite well, since
they have had to give back donations from such leeches
on a number of occasions. Senator Clinton most
recently had to fork up more than $800,000 in
donations from one Mr. Hsu, a felon on the lam, who
had donated to her campaign.

A February 28th ABC News report on one of the recent
developments in the Rezko case states: "Obama is not
considered a target of the federal corruption
investigation, and his campaign staff says any
contribution tied to Rezko has since been donated to
charity."

Yes, Rezko's wife brought a thin corner lot -- which
was recently sold to a third party -- adjacent to
Obama's Hyde Park Chicago house. But the seller of the
home, a physician, has indicated that the price of the
home had nothing to do with the sale of the adjacent
lot.

Furthermore, there is nothing to indicate in any of
the long investigations of Rezko that Obama offered
any quid pro quo for campaign contributions, similar
to the situation that the Clintons have found
themselves in when having to deal with rogue donors.
The offering of a contract, job, or favorable
government regulation is what makes such a
donor-politician relationship a crime. If the mere
receipt of money from unsavory operators were illegal,
the Clintons and almost every other politician would
have been in jail a long time ago.

Those of us in Illinois politics who have followed the
course of the Rezko case through each new court filing
and leak know that the Rezko case has a high profile
target, and it is not Barack Obama, who is just a
recipient of Rezko campaign funding and sycophancy
(but with no indication whatsoever of any quid pro
quo). The person that Patrick Fitzgerald is in pursuit
of nailing is the Democratic Governor of Illinois, Rod
Blagojevich, who is known as "Public Official A" in
prosecution court filings. Whether it can be proven or
not (depending upon whether Rezko and some other
indicted schemers flip or not), it appears that
Blagojevich's office -- including the Governor --
participated in a "pay to play" scheme on a large
scale -- with Rezko receiving government contracts and
jobs for himself and others.

Obama, like the Clintons with many of their past
donors, appears just to be the recipient of largesse
because very few politicians ask where donations are
coming from, but return them when a donor is "outed."

http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/editorblog/056

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[Dems2008] Re: We support to Hillary R. Clinton

No one is claiming that Clinton isn't strong, but to make a big deal
out of something she said she was "happy to do" is whining. If she
didn't mind, she wouldn't bring it up. Sure, plenty of men have a
distaste for Clinton and maybe it is because she's a woman but its
funny how people who don't support clinton are accused of being:
sexist
delusional
drunk off the kool-aid
want to sing around a camp fire
putting America at risk

how about, "exercising free thought and not just choosing the person
who's name they know"?

--- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, suzi meyers <libertylsmom@...> wrote:
>
> It's only called whining to stand up for yourself when you are a
woman. Just like being strong gets a woman called a b_tch.
Hillary is subject to a much more intense level of scrutiny. Do
not be fooled, sexism is alive and well.
>
> Natasha <objection21@...> wrote:
> The more important question is when has she been treated
unfairly?
> Someone always has to be "the other guy" in politics and until he
> began winning that guy was Obama.
>
> --- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, Rob Harrington <Eamon1916@> wrote:
> >
> > I think if you're using skit comedy as evidence of the
mistreatment
> you're getting close to "whining"...
> >
> > Slainte,
> > Rob Harrington
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Sandra Goodwin <bridger82923@>
> > To: Dems2008@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 1:59:16 PM
> > Subject: [Dems2008] Re: We support to Hillary R. Clinton
> >
> > ---I asked my husband last night.... when did it become whining
to
> > stand up for yourself if you think you are being treated
unfairly?
> > He answered...when you are the other guy.
> >
> > Guess it applies here too.
> >
> > Sandra
> >
> >
> > In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, nancy m gibson <nmgibson@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Oh my heavens!! How terrible Pres Clinton asking for campaign
> > > donations. But of course it is AOK for Sen Obama to ask his
> > > people to dig down into their pockets and send him money for
> > > his campaign even if it is only $5, which was a direct appeal
> > > to poor people to send what they can't afford.
> > > Nan @@
> > >
> > > IT IS NOT WORTH WHILE TO GO AROUND
> > > THE WORLD TO COUNT THE CATS IN
> > > ZANZIBAR.
> > > Henry David Thoreau
> > >
> > >
> > > actually, she is correct: I get the e-mails from Clinton
> campaign,
> > and
> > > they are more and more recently Billo asking for money to
counter
> > Obama.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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[Dems2008] Obama hits Clinton again on transparency...

From her tax records to her White House records... Sen Clinton keeps us in the dark...

During a recent MSNBC debate, Senator Clinton
was asked if she would release her tax returns. She answered, "Well, I
will do it as others have done it, upon becoming the nominee or even
earlier." But the very next day, her campaign backtracked, saying, "As
is customary, as the Democratic nominee Sen. Clinton will release her
tax information in April at tax time."
But waiting until April is not customary. In
the 2004 Democratic primary, Governor Dean, Rep. Kucinich, Senator
Lieberman, and Senator Edwards released their tax returns in April of
2003 – a full year earlier in the primary process. Senator Kerry
released his tax returns in December of 2003, and General Clark
released his tax returns in January of 2004.
Senator Clinton's refusal to make this very
basic disclosure has raised a number of eyebrows among advocates for
increased transparency. As her top Ohio supporter Governor Ted
Strickland said in his 2006 campaign, if a candidate is not releasing
his or her "tax return, what is he hiding? We should question what's
going on."
Senator Clinton should explain why she believes
voters in the upcoming primaries shouldn't have access to the same
information as voters in the general election.
Senator Obama has made a practice of releasing
his tax returns (the summary and the schedules), because he believes
that after seven years of secrecy from the Bush Administration, we need
increased transparency in our government. Allowing voters to evaluate
this information is good for the process, but this is particularly true
when a candidate decides to use his or her own personal fortunes to
fund their campaign, which Senator Clinton did when she loaned her
campaign $5 million.
Senator Clinton's refusal to release her tax
returns is part of a pattern of secrecy that has imbued her campaign
and raises questions about the sort of change she would be willing and
able to bring to Washington.
Equally troubling is the fact that three years
after Senator Clinton said all the record in the Clinton library would
be available, less than 300,000 of the 78 million documents have been
released.
In the debate, Senator Clinton tried to cast
some of the blame on the White House for the delayed release of her
records, saying, "Now, also, President Bush claims the right to look at
anything that is released, and I would urge the Bush White House to
move as quickly as possible." But White House Press Secretary Dana
Perino said that Clinton representatives have known since Jan. 31 that
the documents – Senator Clinton's daily public schedule during her
husband's presidency – have been deemed ready for public release by the
National Archives. "To my knowledge, we have not been contacted by Mrs.
Clinton or anyone else about moving more quickly with the review and
release of Clinton material, specifically, her schedules."
Senator Clinton's misleading answers andrefusal to release her taxes and her White House records speak to thefundamental choice facing voters in this election – more of the sameWashington games or change the American people can believe in.
Slainte,
Rob Harrington


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Re: [Dems2008] Re: We support to Hillary R. Clinton

It's only called whining to stand up for yourself when you are a woman.  Just like being strong gets a woman called a b_tch.    Hillary is subject to a much more intense level of scrutiny.    Do not be fooled, sexism is alive and well.

Natasha <objection21@yahoo.com> wrote:
The more important question is when has she been treated unfairly?
Someone always has to be "the other guy" in politics and until he
began winning that guy was Obama.

--- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, Rob Harrington <Eamon1916@...> wrote:
>
> I think if you're using skit comedy as evidence of the mistreatment
you're getting close to "whining"...
>
> Slainte,
> Rob Harrington
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Sandra Goodwin <bridger82923@...>
> To: Dems2008@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 1:59:16 PM
> Subject: [Dems2008] Re: We support to Hillary R. Clinton
>
> ---I asked my husband last night.... when did it become whining to
> stand up for yourself if you think you are being treated unfairly?
> He answered...when you are the other guy.
>
> Guess it applies here too.
>
> Sandra
>
>
> In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, nancy m gibson <nmgibson@> wrote:
> >
> > Oh my heavens!! How terrible Pres Clinton asking for campaign
> > donations. But of course it is AOK for Sen Obama to ask his
> > people to dig down into their pockets and send him money for
> > his campaign even if it is only $5, which was a direct appeal
> > to poor people to send what they can't afford.
> > Nan @@
> >
> > IT IS NOT WORTH WHILE TO GO AROUND
> > THE WORLD TO COUNT THE CATS IN
> > ZANZIBAR.
> > Henry David Thoreau
> >
> >
> > actually, she is correct: I get the e-mails from Clinton
campaign,
> and
> > they are more and more recently Billo asking for money to counter
> Obama.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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[Dems2008] Re: We support to Hillary R. Clinton

---Yes, then they both are whining. Even the guy who said "I'm not
whining".

Sandra


In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, "Natasha" <objection21@...> wrote:
>
> You mean the same way she "whined" about campaign mailers the Obama
> camp had been using for weeks? It is not whining when it's about
the
> issues -- for either of them...it's whining when you make a point
to
> mention something in a negative way...and then shrug it off as "no
> big deal".
>
>
> --- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, "Sandra Goodwin" <bridger82923@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Obama is whining about Clinton's latest ad in Texas. He claims
she
> > is trying to "scare" voters.
> > Pointing out something "true" like getting 6 out of 10 questions
> > first is not whining in my book.
> > We disagree but isn't that the beauty of free speech.
> >
> >
> > Sandra
> >
> >
> > In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, "raschueller" <raschueller@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Its whining when you complain about being asked the first
> question
> > in
> > > a presidential debate. Thats not defending yourself. Defending
> > > yourself is proving you are being set upon the dealing with it
> > > forcefully. Her comment was nothing short of whining.
> > >
> > >
> > > And no if you feel your under attack here your not. Your views
are
> > > under scrutiny because there are those of us who disagree, the
> > problem
> > > is the fact that Hillary has developed a mindset in her
campaign
> > that
> > > she is under attack, and it has been her fall back position
over
> and
> > > over. And to be honest it will pursuade NO one to vote for her.
> But
> > > then again she is no longer trying to gain votes. her campaign
has
> > > shifted to a defensive stance of preventing Obama from gaining
> votes
> > > and at the same time minimizing any victories he gets. Why?
> Because
> > > ever since Wisconsin her goal has shifted to a broken convention
> > > strategy.
> > >
> >
>



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Re: [Dems2008] Sen Rockefeller & 4 other superdelegates back Obama

SUPERB NEWS!

The true Democrats are supporting the TRUE candidate.
The person that WILL work for the people, and not for
the lobbyists.

Go Big O in 08
--- Rob Harrington <Eamon1916@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Brian Melendez and Donna Cassutt of Minnesota, Renee
> Pfenning of North Dakota, Yvonne Davis of Texas and
> most importantly Senator Jay Rockefeller of West
> Virginia, Chairman of the Senate Intelligence
> Committee.
>
> Here is Sen Rockefeller's endorsement:
>
> “Today, I’m proud to lend my support and strong
> endorsement toBarack Obama and his candidacy for
> President of the United States.Barack Obama is the
> most qualified person â€" Democrat or Republican â€"
> tolead our country in the face of enormous
> challenges â€" the very realthreat of terrorism,
> economic uncertainty, and instability at home
> andabroad.“As Chairman of the Senate Intelligence
> Committee, I am all too
> aware that the threats we face are unconventional.
> They are
> sophisticated. They are constantly changing and
> adapting. And they
> are very serious. What matters most in the Oval
> Office is sound
> judgment and decisive action. It’s about getting
> it right on crucial
> national security questions the first time â€" and
> every time.
> “The indisputable fact is Barack Obama was right
> about Iraq when
> many of us were wrong. It was a tough call and the
> single greatest
> national security question, and mistake, of our
> time. Today, we remain
> a country at war, and countless mistakes over the
> last six and a half
> years have made us less safe. The stakes have never
> been higher, and
> that is why we must take a stand.
> “I am not just supporting Barack Obama because of
> his strength on
> national security. I am equally proud of his
> commitment to rebuild
> America â€" so that we’re a country of equality
> and prosperity â€" where no
> segment of society is left behind. I know Barack
> Obama will fight and
> win the battle for health care, good paying jobs,
> and energy security.
> “Barack Obama is a uniquely gifted, brilliant and
> strategic thinker,
> who genuinely understands the hopes and desires of
> the American
> people. There is nothing sheltered about his life;
> he’s always had to
> work hard, and he’s always fought to make his
> community and his country
> better.
> “A leader like Barack Obama just doesn’t come
> along very often, and
> as voters who care passionately about the future of
> our country, we
> cannot afford to squander this opportunity.”
>
>
>
>
> Slainte,
> Rob Harrington
>
>
>
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Re: [Dems2008] Re: Something I noticed in the debate

No... but we were talking about the Clintons as a unit... and Bill Clinton's presidency specifically...

I have a lot of respect for Sen Clinton and think she's a great senator for the state of New York.

Slainte,
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To: Dems2008@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 3:15:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Dems2008] Re: Something I noticed in the debate

In other words to you Sen Hillary Clinton is just
Pres Bill Clintons wife.  Funny but how the way
we word things can show how we think.
Gezunt-heit!
Nan
 
 
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THE WORLD TO COUNT THE CATS IN
ZANZIBAR.
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> But I don't hate Bill Clinton... I just think Barack Obama would do
better as President than his wife...
>
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Re: [Dems2008] Re: vp....No Way and here is why...

Sorry, Hillary is too hard to forget. Her tactics are
hated by the Kennedy's, Kerry's Daschles, Lewis's, I
can go on and on...
The American Public is sick and tired of the Clintons
and the inability of the Clintons to get things done
with out tearing apart the Union Base, The latino and
black voter base, the Moderates and the
independents...
ALL Hillary's Negatives are OBAMA's POSITIVES..

That is what has this season different than when
Dukakis ran, or Gore.

Hillary is a Changeling, She re invents herself with
ever negative action that comes back to hit her in the
face.
She can't even tell the truth about the release of
her income tax returns.
--- raschueller <raschueller@yahoo.com> wrote:

> There are a myriad of reasons why an Obama/Hillary
> ticket is not a
> winning combination. It has nothing to do with hate
> or distrust. Those
> things will be forgotten (unless the convention
> process is totally
> broken ... ie Hillary wins) Obamas choices are
> pretty rich but you do
> not want to loose ANOTHER senator. The obvious
> choice is Richardson.
> The weakest choice is Edwards. I am still the lone
> voice pushing for
> Chafee or Snowe. But to me Snowe is an AWESOME
> choice for so many
> reasons.
>
>
> Olympia Snowe is an AWESOME choice... and it gives
> us another Senate
> seat ;)
>
>
>
>

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[Dems2008] Sen Rockefeller & 4 other superdelegates back Obama

Brian Melendez and Donna Cassutt of Minnesota, Renee Pfenning of North Dakota, Yvonne Davis of Texas and most importantly Senator Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia, Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Here is Sen Rockefeller's endorsement:

"Today, I'm proud to lend my support and strong endorsement toBarack Obama and his candidacy for President of the United States.Barack Obama is the most qualified person – Democrat or Republican – tolead our country in the face of enormous challenges – the very realthreat of terrorism, economic uncertainty, and instability at home andabroad."As Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, I am all too
aware that the threats we face are unconventional. They are
sophisticated. They are constantly changing and adapting. And they
are very serious. What matters most in the Oval Office is sound
judgment and decisive action. It's about getting it right on crucial
national security questions the first time – and every time.
"The indisputable fact is Barack Obama was right about Iraq when
many of us were wrong. It was a tough call and the single greatest
national security question, and mistake, of our time. Today, we remain
a country at war, and countless mistakes over the last six and a half
years have made us less safe. The stakes have never been higher, and
that is why we must take a stand.
"I am not just supporting Barack Obama because of his strength on
national security. I am equally proud of his commitment to rebuild
America – so that we're a country of equality and prosperity – where no
segment of society is left behind. I know Barack Obama will fight and
win the battle for health care, good paying jobs, and energy security.
"Barack Obama is a uniquely gifted, brilliant and strategic thinker,
who genuinely understands the hopes and desires of the American
people. There is nothing sheltered about his life; he's always had to
work hard, and he's always fought to make his community and his country
better.
"A leader like Barack Obama just doesn't come along very often, and
as voters who care passionately about the future of our country, we
cannot afford to squander this opportunity."


Slainte,
Rob Harrington


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[Dems2008] Re: We support to Hillary R. Clinton

You mean the same way she "whined" about campaign mailers the Obama
camp had been using for weeks? It is not whining when it's about the
issues -- for either of them...it's whining when you make a point to
mention something in a negative way...and then shrug it off as "no
big deal".


--- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, "Sandra Goodwin" <bridger82923@...>
wrote:
>
> Obama is whining about Clinton's latest ad in Texas. He claims she
> is trying to "scare" voters.
> Pointing out something "true" like getting 6 out of 10 questions
> first is not whining in my book.
> We disagree but isn't that the beauty of free speech.
>
>
> Sandra
>
>
> In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, "raschueller" <raschueller@> wrote:
> >
> > Its whining when you complain about being asked the first
question
> in
> > a presidential debate. Thats not defending yourself. Defending
> > yourself is proving you are being set upon the dealing with it
> > forcefully. Her comment was nothing short of whining.
> >
> >
> > And no if you feel your under attack here your not. Your views are
> > under scrutiny because there are those of us who disagree, the
> problem
> > is the fact that Hillary has developed a mindset in her campaign
> that
> > she is under attack, and it has been her fall back position over
and
> > over. And to be honest it will pursuade NO one to vote for her.
But
> > then again she is no longer trying to gain votes. her campaign has
> > shifted to a defensive stance of preventing Obama from gaining
votes
> > and at the same time minimizing any victories he gets. Why?
Because
> > ever since Wisconsin her goal has shifted to a broken convention
> > strategy.
> >
>



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Re: [Dems2008] Re: Something I noticed in the debate

In other words to you Sen Hillary Clinton is just
Pres Bill Clintons wife.  Funny but how the way
we word things can show how we think.
Gezunt-heit!
Nan
 
 
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THE WORLD TO COUNT THE CATS IN
ZANZIBAR.
                                 Henry David Thoreau
> But I don't hate Bill Clinton... I just think Barack Obama would do
better as President than his wife...
>
> Slainte,
> Rob Harrington
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Re: [Dems2008] Re: We support to Hillary R. Clinton

OK... "always" does not equal 60%... therefor what she said isn't "true"...

Slainte,
Rob Harrington


----- Original Message ----
From: Sandra Goodwin <bridger82923@yahoo.com>
To: Dems2008@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 3:06:04 PM
Subject: [Dems2008] Re: We support to Hillary R. Clinton

Obama is whining about Clinton's latest ad in Texas. He claims she
is trying to "scare" voters.
Pointing out something "true" like getting 6 out of 10 questions
first is not whining in my book.
We disagree but isn't that the beauty of free speech.


Sandra


In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, "raschueller" <raschueller@...> wrote:
>
> Its whining when you complain about being asked the first question
in
> a presidential debate. Thats not defending yourself. Defending
> yourself is proving you are being set upon the dealing with it
> forcefully. Her comment was nothing short of whining.
>
>
> And no if you feel your under attack here your not. Your views are
> under scrutiny because there are those of us who disagree, the
problem
> is the fact that Hillary has developed a mindset in her campaign
that
> she is under attack, and it has been her fall back position over and
> over. And to be honest it will pursuade NO one to vote for her. But
> then again she is no longer trying to gain votes. her campaign has
> shifted to a defensive stance of preventing Obama from gaining votes
> and at the same time minimizing any victories he gets. Why? Because
> ever since Wisconsin her goal has shifted to a broken convention
> strategy.
>



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[Dems2008] Re: We support to Hillary R. Clinton

Obama is whining about Clinton's latest ad in Texas. He claims she
is trying to "scare" voters.
Pointing out something "true" like getting 6 out of 10 questions
first is not whining in my book.
We disagree but isn't that the beauty of free speech.


Sandra


In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, "raschueller" <raschueller@...> wrote:
>
> Its whining when you complain about being asked the first question
in
> a presidential debate. Thats not defending yourself. Defending
> yourself is proving you are being set upon the dealing with it
> forcefully. Her comment was nothing short of whining.
>
>
> And no if you feel your under attack here your not. Your views are
> under scrutiny because there are those of us who disagree, the
problem
> is the fact that Hillary has developed a mindset in her campaign
that
> she is under attack, and it has been her fall back position over and
> over. And to be honest it will pursuade NO one to vote for her. But
> then again she is no longer trying to gain votes. her campaign has
> shifted to a defensive stance of preventing Obama from gaining votes
> and at the same time minimizing any victories he gets. Why? Because
> ever since Wisconsin her goal has shifted to a broken convention
> strategy.
>



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Re: [Dems2008] Re: Once again to the clinton supporters

ok... can I just step in her a second...

the term is "brokered" convention... not broken...

ok... I'm done.

Slainte,
Rob Harrington


----- Original Message ----
From: Natasha <objection21@yahoo.com>
To: Dems2008@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:50:35 PM
Subject: [Dems2008] Re: Once again to the clinton supporters

She's banking on a broken convention. The only problem with that is
that all these people that have come out to the polls that normally
stay home, will continue to stay home b/c their first instinct was
correct; their votes don't count.

I would have to stay home if Florida and especially Michigan delegates
get seated since she was the only name on the MI ballot. If you can't
follow the rules as a candidate, who's to say you won't have the Bush
mentality when it comes to following rules in the White HOuse?

--- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, "raschueller" <raschueller@...> wrote:
>
> Since Hillary can ONLY win by emerging from a deadlocked convention
> and seating the Florida and Michigan delegates and depleting both her
> and Obamas potential contributers... can she emerge from a "nomination
> by appointment" strong enough to win the white house AND have coat
> tails to help the other Democratic candidates?
>



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Re: [Dems2008] Re: We support to Hillary R. Clinton

If that was true, you Ci would be 100% behind them.----Nan :0)
 
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THE WORLD TO COUNT THE CATS IN
ZANZIBAR.
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sounds sensible: they do better among the less-educated (and the less
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[Dems2008] Re: Once again to the clinton supporters

--- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, "Natasha" <objection21@...> wrote:
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> She's banking on a broken convention.

Mathematically its the only way she can win. There are not enough
Pledged delegates left to put her over the top.


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Re: [Dems2008] Re: We support to Hillary R. Clinton

Here's my record
1988--Dukakis
1992--Clinton
1996--Clinton
2000--Gore
2004--Kerry
2007--Clinton
Nan
 
 
 
 
 
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THE WORLD TO COUNT THE CATS IN
ZANZIBAR.
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correction

> * not a republican; never been one
> * votes in last several presidential elections were as follows:
> * 2004: Kerry
> * 2000: Gore
> * 1996: abstained
> * 1992: abstained
> * 1988: Dukakis
> * 1984: Mondale
> * 1980: Carter
> * 1976: abstained
> * 1972: McGovern
> * 1968: Humphrey
> * 1964: Johnson
> * 1960: Kennedy

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[Dems2008] Re: Once again to the clinton supporters

She's banking on a broken convention. The only problem with that is
that all these people that have come out to the polls that normally
stay home, will continue to stay home b/c their first instinct was
correct; their votes don't count.

I would have to stay home if Florida and especially Michigan delegates
get seated since she was the only name on the MI ballot. If you can't
follow the rules as a candidate, who's to say you won't have the Bush
mentality when it comes to following rules in the White HOuse?

--- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, "raschueller" <raschueller@...> wrote:
>
> Since Hillary can ONLY win by emerging from a deadlocked convention
> and seating the Florida and Michigan delegates and depleting both her
> and Obamas potential contributers... can she emerge from a "nomination
> by appointment" strong enough to win the white house AND have coat
> tails to help the other Democratic candidates?
>



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[Dems2008] Re: vp....SNOWE!

--- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, "judee6048" <judee3485@...> wrote:
>
> --
> I have always like Olympia Snowe I am embarrassed to say I never
> thought of an Obama-Snowe ticket. I could easily live with that.
> Judee

Its an out of the Box choice that changes the dynamic on so many
levels. I can not imagine ANY one in the party not being tickled by
the choice. It heals wounds and prevents any new wounds from
festering... namely the HUGE number of potential VP's in the party and
the egos that go with them.

Obama - Snowe

Pass it on!


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[Dems2008] Once again to the clinton supporters

Since Hillary can ONLY win by emerging from a deadlocked convention
and seating the Florida and Michigan delegates and depleting both her
and Obamas potential contributers... can she emerge from a "nomination
by appointment" strong enough to win the white house AND have coat
tails to help the other Democratic candidates?


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RE: [Dems2008] Clinton has to stay in for awhile

The question nan is whether you would prefer a democrat like Obama or more of the same policies of Bush under McCain.
 
I chose Obama.  The only reason and I repeat the only reason I would go for McCain would be if he was anti-israel which he is not, whether his associations with various people who would wish the destruction of Israel would influence his position on Israel.  There would have to be uncontestable evidence to that as a fact.  All other factors I would chose Obama as the better choice.
 
ed





To: Dems2008@yahoogroups.com
From: nmgibson@JUNO.COM
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:35:13 -0800
Subject: Re: [Dems2008] Clinton has to stay in for awhile

He will be lucky to get my vote at the moment it is a
toss up between him and Mickey Mouse--With Mouse
ahead.------------------Nan ^.^
 
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THE WORLD TO COUNT THE CATS IN
ZANZIBAR.
                                 Henry David Thoreau
 
Since Obama is going to get the nomination, I'm glad
he has all those supporters sending him money so I
won't have to. But if he takes public financing like
he said he would, he will be able to raise enough in
the first month, or might have enough left over so
nobody will have to send him any, I'm not sure how
that works. But since he won't need my contribution,
I'll use my money to try to get a democrat in Trent
Lott's senatorial seat. What a relief to not have
anybody begging me for money.


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[Dems2008] Re: vp....No Way and here is why...

--
I have always like Olympia Snowe I am embarrassed to say I never
thought of an Obama-Snowe ticket. I could easily live with that.
Judee
www.votingstateofmind.com
- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, "raschueller" <raschueller@...> wrote:
>
> There are a myriad of reasons why an Obama/Hillary ticket is not a
> winning combination. It has nothing to do with hate or distrust.
Those
> things will be forgotten (unless the convention process is totally
> broken ... ie Hillary wins) Obamas choices are pretty rich but you
do
> not want to loose ANOTHER senator. The obvious choice is
Richardson.
> The weakest choice is Edwards. I am still the lone voice pushing
for
> Chafee or Snowe. But to me Snowe is an AWESOME choice for so many
> reasons.
>
>
> Olympia Snowe is an AWESOME choice... and it gives us another
Senate
> seat ;)
>



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[Dems2008] Re: We support to Hillary R. Clinton

Its whining when you complain about being asked the first question in
a presidential debate. Thats not defending yourself. Defending
yourself is proving you are being set upon the dealing with it
forcefully. Her comment was nothing short of whining.


And no if you feel your under attack here your not. Your views are
under scrutiny because there are those of us who disagree, the problem
is the fact that Hillary has developed a mindset in her campaign that
she is under attack, and it has been her fall back position over and
over. And to be honest it will pursuade NO one to vote for her. But
then again she is no longer trying to gain votes. her campaign has
shifted to a defensive stance of preventing Obama from gaining votes
and at the same time minimizing any victories he gets. Why? Because
ever since Wisconsin her goal has shifted to a broken convention
strategy.


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Re: [Dems2008] Clinton has to stay in for awhile

He will be lucky to get my vote at the moment it is a
toss up between him and Mickey Mouse--With Mouse
ahead.------------------Nan ^.^
 
IT IS NOT WORTH WHILE TO GO AROUND
THE WORLD TO COUNT THE CATS IN
ZANZIBAR.
                                 Henry David Thoreau
 
Since Obama is going to get the nomination, I'm glad
he has all those supporters sending him money so I
won't have to. But if he takes public financing like
he said he would, he will be able to raise enough in
the first month, or might have enough left over so
nobody will have to send him any, I'm not sure how
that works. But since he won't need my contribution,
I'll use my money to try to get a democrat in Trent
Lott's senatorial seat. What a relief to not have
anybody begging me for money.
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[Dems2008] Re: vp....No Way and here is why...

There are a myriad of reasons why an Obama/Hillary ticket is not a
winning combination. It has nothing to do with hate or distrust. Those
things will be forgotten (unless the convention process is totally
broken ... ie Hillary wins) Obamas choices are pretty rich but you do
not want to loose ANOTHER senator. The obvious choice is Richardson.
The weakest choice is Edwards. I am still the lone voice pushing for
Chafee or Snowe. But to me Snowe is an AWESOME choice for so many
reasons.


Olympia Snowe is an AWESOME choice... and it gives us another Senate
seat ;)


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[Dems2008] Re: We support to Hillary R. Clinton

Ummmm....yeah! Anyone who complains of unfair treatment in politics
is whining. It's meant to be unfair...if it wasn't the person who
spent the most money wouldn't usually win (Mormonism
notwithstanding).

--- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, "Sandra Goodwin" <bridger82923@...>
wrote:
>
> If Obama claimed unfair treatment would he be whining? I think
> that's the important question. Now pass the cheese, please.
>
>
> Sandra
>
> In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, "Natasha" <objection21@> wrote:
> >
> > The more important question is when has she been treated
unfairly?
> > Someone always has to be "the other guy" in politics and until he
> > began winning that guy was Obama.
> >
> > --- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, Rob Harrington <Eamon1916@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > I think if you're using skit comedy as evidence of the
> mistreatment
> > you're getting close to "whining"...
> > >
> > > Slainte,
> > > Rob Harrington
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: Sandra Goodwin <bridger82923@>
> > > To: Dems2008@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 1:59:16 PM
> > > Subject: [Dems2008] Re: We support to Hillary R. Clinton
> > >
> > > ---I asked my husband last night.... when did it become whining
> to
> > > stand up for yourself if you think you are being treated
> unfairly?
> > > He answered...when you are the other guy.
> > >
> > > Guess it applies here too.
> > >
> > > Sandra
> > >
> > >
> > > In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, nancy m gibson <nmgibson@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Oh my heavens!! How terrible Pres Clinton asking for campaign
> > > > donations. But of course it is AOK for Sen Obama to ask his
> > > > people to dig down into their pockets and send him money for
> > > > his campaign even if it is only $5, which was a direct appeal
> > > > to poor people to send what they can't afford.
> > > > Nan @@
> > > >
> > > > IT IS NOT WORTH WHILE TO GO AROUND
> > > > THE WORLD TO COUNT THE CATS IN
> > > > ZANZIBAR.
> > > > Henry David Thoreau
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > actually, she is correct: I get the e-mails from Clinton
> > campaign,
> > > and
> > > > they are more and more recently Billo asking for money to
> counter
> > > Obama.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> >
>



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[Dems2008] Re: Clinton campaign continues to live in never-never land

Her campaign has yet another problem. they are getting schizophrenic.
So let me get this straight if Clinton wins rhode island and looses
Texas splits ohio then its a victory for her?


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[Dems2008] Re: We support to Hillary R. Clinton

If Obama claimed unfair treatment would he be whining? I think
that's the important question. Now pass the cheese, please.


Sandra

In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, "Natasha" <objection21@...> wrote:
>
> The more important question is when has she been treated unfairly?
> Someone always has to be "the other guy" in politics and until he
> began winning that guy was Obama.
>
> --- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, Rob Harrington <Eamon1916@> wrote:
> >
> > I think if you're using skit comedy as evidence of the
mistreatment
> you're getting close to "whining"...
> >
> > Slainte,
> > Rob Harrington
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Sandra Goodwin <bridger82923@>
> > To: Dems2008@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 1:59:16 PM
> > Subject: [Dems2008] Re: We support to Hillary R. Clinton
> >
> > ---I asked my husband last night.... when did it become whining
to
> > stand up for yourself if you think you are being treated
unfairly?
> > He answered...when you are the other guy.
> >
> > Guess it applies here too.
> >
> > Sandra
> >
> >
> > In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, nancy m gibson <nmgibson@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Oh my heavens!! How terrible Pres Clinton asking for campaign
> > > donations. But of course it is AOK for Sen Obama to ask his
> > > people to dig down into their pockets and send him money for
> > > his campaign even if it is only $5, which was a direct appeal
> > > to poor people to send what they can't afford.
> > > Nan @@
> > >
> > > IT IS NOT WORTH WHILE TO GO AROUND
> > > THE WORLD TO COUNT THE CATS IN
> > > ZANZIBAR.
> > > Henry David Thoreau
> > >
> > >
> > > actually, she is correct: I get the e-mails from Clinton
> campaign,
> > and
> > > they are more and more recently Billo asking for money to
counter
> > Obama.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>



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[Dems2008] Re: We support to Hillary R. Clinton

The more important question is when has she been treated unfairly?
Someone always has to be "the other guy" in politics and until he
began winning that guy was Obama.

--- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, Rob Harrington <Eamon1916@...> wrote:
>
> I think if you're using skit comedy as evidence of the mistreatment
you're getting close to "whining"...
>
> Slainte,
> Rob Harrington
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Sandra Goodwin <bridger82923@...>
> To: Dems2008@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 1:59:16 PM
> Subject: [Dems2008] Re: We support to Hillary R. Clinton
>
> ---I asked my husband last night.... when did it become whining to
> stand up for yourself if you think you are being treated unfairly?
> He answered...when you are the other guy.
>
> Guess it applies here too.
>
> Sandra
>
>
> In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, nancy m gibson <nmgibson@> wrote:
> >
> > Oh my heavens!! How terrible Pres Clinton asking for campaign
> > donations. But of course it is AOK for Sen Obama to ask his
> > people to dig down into their pockets and send him money for
> > his campaign even if it is only $5, which was a direct appeal
> > to poor people to send what they can't afford.
> > Nan @@
> >
> > IT IS NOT WORTH WHILE TO GO AROUND
> > THE WORLD TO COUNT THE CATS IN
> > ZANZIBAR.
> > Henry David Thoreau
> >
> >
> > actually, she is correct: I get the e-mails from Clinton
campaign,
> and
> > they are more and more recently Billo asking for money to counter
> Obama.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>



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[Dems2008] Re: We support to Hillary R. Clinton

So says "the other guy". LOL

Sandra


In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, Rob Harrington <Eamon1916@...> wrote:
>
> I think if you're using skit comedy as evidence of the mistreatment
you're getting close to "whining"...
>
> Slainte,
> Rob Harrington
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Sandra Goodwin <bridger82923@...>
> To: Dems2008@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 1:59:16 PM
> Subject: [Dems2008] Re: We support to Hillary R. Clinton
>
> ---I asked my husband last night.... when did it become whining to
> stand up for yourself if you think you are being treated unfairly?
> He answered...when you are the other guy.
>
> Guess it applies here too.
>
> Sandra
>
>
> In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, nancy m gibson <nmgibson@> wrote:
> >
> > Oh my heavens!! How terrible Pres Clinton asking for campaign
> > donations. But of course it is AOK for Sen Obama to ask his
> > people to dig down into their pockets and send him money for
> > his campaign even if it is only $5, which was a direct appeal
> > to poor people to send what they can't afford.
> > Nan @@
> >
> > IT IS NOT WORTH WHILE TO GO AROUND
> > THE WORLD TO COUNT THE CATS IN
> > ZANZIBAR.
> > Henry David Thoreau
> >
> >
> > actually, she is correct: I get the e-mails from Clinton
campaign,
> and
> > they are more and more recently Billo asking for money to counter
> Obama.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>



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