--- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, "raschueller" <raschueller@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, "citation502" <citation502@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > when a pol has the courage to tell factory workers who do work
that a
> > sixth-grader could perform that henceforth they will be paid on
the same
> > wage scale on which we pay public school teachers, s/he will have
my
> > vote.
> >
>
> Ok what elitist rock did you climb from under? I imagine that you
have
> never actually worked in a factory... but you certainly seem to
have a
> formed opinion of labor. Most low scale, and I use this term very
> loosely because factory labor is not easy despite what the ouch I
> chipped a nail crowd might think, pays around 7 to 9 an hour. Thats
> before they take out for health care which is usually about 20 a
week
> for individual coverage. Average take home after taxes is often
around
> 1000 a month maybe 1200. These people are happy to work, but what do
> they want in return. A stable workplace. Its funny you mention
> teachers. Teachers LEAVE their jobs voluntarily. Factories workers
and
> other laborers get their hours CUT. Teachers also don't have to put
in
> mandatory overtime, and I am sorry but grading papers at home is not
> the same thing. Lets talk about time off... factory worker gets hurt
> on the job and looses four days of work. How much comp time does he
> get. By law NONE. He wasn't out for a week. If a full time worker
gets
> his hours cut below full time he can loose his insurance benefits.
> Quick question... how much does average FAMILY insurance cost a
> factory worker? Answer... no need to answer because they can't
afford
> it anyways.
>
> So why is this important to the "ouch I chipped a nail- take my SUV
to
> wal-mart crowd"? Why not export all our manufacturing jobs, and let
> those guys who used to have it "made" in the factories load up our
> SUV's that now have automatic hinges so we don't have to get in and
> out of our cars. The answer is simple. The strength of this nation
> lies in manufacturing. The idea that we can forever support
ourselves
> with massive trade deficits is stupid. The collapse of a service
based
> economy is inevitable.
>
> It does all come down to choices. I have not shopped at Wal-Mart for
> four years now. I know the first name of most of the employees that
> work at the grocery store I go to and they know mine (and my
family).
> My clothes are made in American union shops, or I buy second hand. I
> shop conscious of the impact my decisions make on the world around
me.
> I can guarantee you I am no better than the woman who works in the
> factory or the guy who grinds the meat in the butcher shop. It is
> elitism that drags this country down, and I am saddened by the fact
> that anyone thinks they are better than the woman working second
shift
> at the tile factory who is keeping beans on her table. I am saddened
> mostly because what a miserable existence it must be to see the
world
> around you oriented by class and misconception.
>
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