have her time to run for President but it was naive of them to think
that the country wouldn't object to such a long rule by the same two
families. Bill Clinton is a far better campaigner than Hillary and
he should have known what the consequences would be.
I like them both but I think right now we need an Obama not another
Clinton. Hillary has shown that she is not looking to have a
transparent gov't: she refuses to release her tax releases (getting
around to it) and her "proof" that she was so involved in her
husband's administration (getting around to it, again) and lets not
forget her completely closed-door policy while trying to get
healthcare for everyone. We've had 2 terms of secrecy and closed
doors, we dont' need another one whether is blue or red!
--- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, "citation502" <citation502@...>
wrote:
>
> Rob, you just don't understand: our support for Barack must derive
> from some hatred of Bill or our sexism or our being duped by the
> media or our unwillingness to "get real," or something like that.
It
> cannot be on the merits of the man.
>
> --- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, Rob Harrington <Eamon1916@> wrote:
> >
> > 1 of the 2 was won by Clinton with significant help from Ross
> Perot...
> >
> > But I don't hate Bill Clinton... I just think Barack Obama would
do
> better as President than his wife...
> >
> > Slainte,
> > Rob Harrington
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: isabelle_ms <isabelle_ms@>
> > To: Dems2008@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 3:58:43 PM
> > Subject: [Dems2008] Re: Something I noticed in the debate
> >
> > And 2 of them were won by Clinton, and all the people who hate
him
> > now.
> >
> > In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, Rob Harrington <Eamon1916@> wrote:
> > >
> > > They dont' ALWAYS win more states... But they have won more
> states
> > 10 out of the last 13 presidential elections...
> > >
> > > Democrats won more states in 1964, 1992 and 1996...
> > >
> > > Slainte,
> > > Rob Harrington
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: isabelle <isabelle_ms@>
> > > To: Dems2008@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 2:35:28 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Dems2008] Re: Something I noticed in the debate
> > >
> > > Using your analogy, the republicans ALWAYS win more
> > > states than the democrats in presidential elections,
> > > so I guess we should we just concede on election night
> > > before all the electoral votes are in. What she
> > > should be reminding people of, is that she was the
> > > first person to seriously try to get healthcare for
> > > everybody. Yeah it failed, but at least she tried
> > > which is more than anybody else has done. If you
> > > don't want to vote for her then don't, but since she
> > > has been so demonized, I guess you won't vote for him
> > > in November if he should happen to choose her for VP
> > > because she's just too horrible.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- citation502 <citation502@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > If Obama had just lost eleven straight primaries, no
> > > > one in the media
> > > > would be talking about him anymore.
> > > >
> > > > Hillary is not whining about the media; she just
> > > > happens to be a
> > > > television critic with strongly held views.
> > > >
> > > > She's not whining about getting the first question;
> > > > she's just a
> > > > serious student of the style and substance of
> > > > presidential debates, and
> > > > is sharing with us how she would fight to make
> > > > debates more equitable.
> > > >
> > > > She's not whining about the Obama campaign's quoting
> > > > her own book on her
> > > > view of NAFTA; she's just telling us that she does
> > > > not write her own
> > > > books, she can't be blamed for what they say.
> > > >
> > > > She's not whining about Barack's continuing to point
> > > > out that she voted
> > > > to authorize the Train Wreck in Iraq. She's just
> > > > pointing out that
> > > > altho she did not read or challenge the intelligence
> > > > reports provided to
> > > > Armed Services Cmte on which she served she thought
> > > > she could trust Bush
> > > > and Cheney, and take them at their word.
> > > >
> > > > She's not whining about folks linking her to the
> > > > Clinton
> > > > Administration's failures on healthcare; she's just
> > > > reminding us that
> > > > the eight years during which she served as First
> > > > Lady are (i) part of
> > > > her vast experience when you cite good things that
> > > > happened in the 90s
> > > > but (ii) not her responsibility when folks say the
> > > > Clinton
> > > > Administration touted NAFTA as one of its major
> > > > accomplishments.
> > > >
> > > > Her pique is understandable; she and NOW gave Bill a
> > > > pass on his
> > > > disgraceful behavior in the Oval Office, since
> > > > that's the price you pay
> > > > to get the presidency when "it's your turn."
> > > >
> > > > --- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, "Natasha"
> > > > <objection21@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > If Hillary is claiming to be the "experienced" one
> > > > in this race, she
> > > > > shouldn't mind getting the first question. If
> > > > Obama had gotten the
> > > > > first question she would've found a way to make
> > > > that an issue. I
> > > > > like Hillary, honestly, but her actions are
> > > > getting desperate. If
> > > > > she doesn't MIND getting the first question what's
> > > > the point of
> > > > > bringing it up?
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't think it's sexism that's keeping Hillary
> > > > back. What's
> > > > > holding her back is what she thought would help
> > > > her; name
> > > > > recognition. People know and are sick of Clintons
> > > > and the baggage
> > > > > that comes along with it. Right or wrong, Obama is
> > > > a sexy story and
> > > > > that is why everyone thinks he's a media darling.
> > > > Obama sells papers
> > > > > and teh only way Clinton sells them is if Bill is
> > > > saying things he
> > > > > shouldn't or doing people he shouldn't. It's not
> > > > all about sex and
> > > > > race.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, isabelle
> > > > isabelle_ms@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sandra, unless you're a female you're probably
> > > > guilty
> > > > > > of it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Sandra Goodwin bridger82923@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > ---So true, Isabelle. I think the sexism I've
> > > > > > > picked up on can be
> > > > > > > very, very subtle. And really, unless you are
> > > > female
> > > > > > > it is hardly
> > > > > > > noticed.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sandra
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, isabelle
> > > > > > > <isabelle_ms@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sandra, there's one true thing I've learned
> > > > from
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > election. It's not okay to be rascist, but
> > > > it's
> > > > > > > > perfectly fine to be sexist.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- Sandra Goodwin <bridger82923@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > How many of you folks watched the debate
> > > > last
> > > > > > > night?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Did anyone else notice what the moderators
> > > > and
> > > > > > > Obama
> > > > > > > > > were doing when
> > > > > > > > > they were tired of listening to Clinton?
> > > > They
> > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > begin to fidget
> > > > > > > > > and rustle the papers they had in front of
> > > > them.
> > > > > > > It
> > > > > > > > > was very
> > > > > > > > > distracting but maybe that was what they
> > > > wanted.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > They did not do it
> > > > > > > > > even once when Obama was speaking.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Sandra
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