March 11th. My first choice was Edwards so I didn't
start out with my dog even in this fight, and I have
to tell you that I couldn't stay in the Hillary room
after reading some of the posts because, no offense to
anyone in here from that room, but some of those
people are way off their meds or something. I thought
it would be different in here since it just said dems
and you could support one or the other without hearing
the old tired right wing spew about Hillary. I'm not
sure how anybody could deny that she has been
harpooned by the media, just as Edwards was ignored by
them and once they get rid of her, they may go after
Obama. I don't think anybody in politics is so great
that they don't have negative stories somewhere out
there but nobody seems to have an open mind about
that. Maybe he was born in a manger...do they have
those in Hawaii?
--- Rob Harrington <Eamon1916@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Bill Clinton was put under oath in relation to a
> civil lawsuit regarding sexual harrassment.
> Congress had nothing to do with the lawsuit. Should
> the special prosecutor have investigated it? I
> don't know... I don't think so personally.
> Regardless of that fact, once Congress did find out
> he committed perjury I have no problems with the
> impeachment charges being filed. Perjury is a
> felony. Presidents are not supposed to commit
> felonies and are not above the law.
>
> Now... Do I hate the Clintons? Of course not. I
> campaigned for Bill Clinton twice and I was happy to
> see Hillary elected Senator for New York twice. I
> would be happy with her winning the nomination and
> would wholeheartedly cast my ballot for her in
> November. She, however, is not my first choice. My
> first choice and candidate I'm casting my primary
> ballot for is Obama (whenever the primary election
> comes around here in Indiana)...
>
> Slainte,
> Rob Harrington
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: isabelle <isabelle_ms@yahoo.com>
> To: Dems2008@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:07:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [Dems2008] *? 2 ALL: IF McCAIN HAD
> AFFAIR WITH LOBBYIST, WHAT HAPPENS TO HIS CAMPAIGN?*
>
> Fine then, put McCain under oath the way they did
> Clinton. What infuriates me are the people who now
> hate the Clintons, unless you were a republican
> before
> and have been converted by Obama. It seems like the
> Clintons are the only people in this race who get
> unfair treatment by the media and alot of people in
> this group. The trashing of the Clintons even over
> McCain is beginning to turn me off of Obama.
>
>
> --- Rob Harrington <Eamon1916@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > One of the things that infuriate me is people who
> > try to diminish what Clinton did with the "He did
> it
> > too!" argument. I could care less whether or not
> > Clinton had an affair. What he did that was wrong
> > was commit perjury. It does not matter at all
> what
> > he lied about -- He lied under oath.
> >
> > It sounds like my 9yr old trying to claim that she
> > shouldn't get into trouble because her 5yr old
> > brother did that same thing.
> >
> > Slainte,
> > Rob Harrington
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: isabelle <isabelle_ms@yahoo.com>
> > To: Dems2008@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 8:04:32 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Dems2008] *? 2 ALL: IF McCAIN HAD
> > AFFAIR WITH LOBBYIST, WHAT HAPPENS TO HIS
> CAMPAIGN?*
> >
> > I'm not sure, but I hope everybody on both sides
> > will
> > shut up about Bill Clinton now. At least he
> wasn't
> > doing political favors for Monica.
> >
> >
> > --- Greg Dempsey <gregdempsey@sti.net> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Vicki Iseman
> > >
> > > ====
> > >
> > > Hi Team!
> > >
> > > *? 2 ALL:
> > >
> > > IF McCAIN HAD AFFAIR WITH LOBBYIST,
> > >
> > > WHAT HAPPENS TO HIS CAMPAIGN?*
> > >
> > > The New York Times reported yesterday on John
> > > McCain's much-rumored relationship with Vicki
> > > Iseman, 40, a partner at the firm Alcalde & Fay,
> > who
> > > represented telecommunications companies for
> whom
> > > the Senate commerce committee that McCain once
> > > chaired was pivotal.
> > >
> > > "Both say they never had a romantic
> relationship,"
> > > reads the article, with an unusual four-person
> > > byline (Rutenberg/Thompson/Kirkpatrick/Labaton).
> > > "But to his advisers, even the appearance of a
> > close
> > > bond with a lobbyist whose clients often had
> > > business before the Senate committee Mr. McCain
> > led
> > > threatened the story of redemption and rectitude
> > > that defined his political identity."
> > >
> > > In a statement released tonight after the NYT
> > posted
> > > the article on its website, McCain spokeswoman
> > Jill
> > > Hazelbaker called the report "gutter politics."
> > >
> > > "It is a shame that the New York Times has
> lowered
> > > its standards to engage in a hit and run smear
> > > campaign," she said. "Americans are sick and
> tired
> > > of this kind of gutter politics, and there is
> > > nothing in this story to suggest that John
> McCain
> > > has ever violated the principles that have
> guided
> > > his career."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bush with Vicki Iseman
> > >
> > > If John McCain had an affair with lobbyist Vicki
> > > Iseman, what do you think will happen to his
> > > campaign?
> > >
> > > Greg Dempsey
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SECULARHUMANIST
> > > For Real Progressives
> > >
> > > ====
> > >
> > >
> > > For McCain, Self-Confidence on Ethics Poses Its
> > Own
> > > Risk
> > > By JIM RUTENBERG, MARILYN W. THOMPSON, DAVID D.
> > > KIRKPATRICK and STEPHEN LABATON
> > >
> > > New York Times
> > > Published: February 21, 2008
> > >
> > > WASHINGTON — Early in Senator John McCain's
> > > first run for the White House
> > > eight years ago, waves of anxiety swept through
> > his
> > > small circle of advisers.
> > >
> > > A female lobbyist had been turning up with him
> at
> > > fund-raisers, in his
> > > offices and aboard a client's corporate jet.
> > > Convinced the relationship had become
> > > romantic, some of his top advisers intervened to
> > > protect the candidate from
> > > himself — instructing staff members to block the
> > > woman's access, privately
> > > warning her away and repeatedly confronting him,
> > > several people involved in the
> > > campaign said on the condition of anonymity.
> > >
> > > When news organizations reported that Mr. McCain
> > had
> > > written letters to
> > > government regulators on behalf of the
> lobbyist's
> > > clients, the former campaign
> > > associates said, some aides feared for a time
> that
> > > attention would fall on her
> > > involvement.
> > >
> > > Mr. McCain, 71, and the lobbyist, Vicki Iseman,
> > 40,
> > > both say they never had
> > > a romantic relationship. But to his advisers,
> even
> > > the appearance of a close
> > > bond with a lobbyist whose clients often had
> > > business before the Senate
> > > committee Mr. McCain led threatened the story of
> > > redemption and rectitude that
> > > defined his political identity.
> > >
> > > It had been just a decade since an official
> favor
>
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