doing him a disservice by pussy-footing around the
muslim stories, etc. They act like it's beneath them
to cover it, but it won't be beneath the RNC and the
best thing would be to get it out there now before the
republicans latch onto it too much. I get emails
about Obama and they say they "checked it out on
Snopes and it's true!"...well I check them out on
Snopes and maybe one thing is true but the rest are
false, but how many people do you think bother to
actually check? As far as the race issue is
concerned, there will be alot of white men who won't
vote for Obama just as they won't vote for Hillary and
that's why we can't let the party get split up over
this nomination. I wish they'd just run the hell
together and get this over and done with. The
republicans are loving this in-fighting because they
know at the end of the day they will line up like the
good little fascists they are and vote for their
candidate.
--- citation502 <citation502@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Gabrielle (love that name): you are spot on. What
> has chagrined me
> much is some of what I hear from Hillary's
> supporters. I am of the
> view that we have two superior candidates, but I'm
> hearing things from
> Hilllary supporters that scare me: and that sound
> like they are coming
> from the RNC or Fox News "spin." Blaming the media
> for a supposed
> witch hunt against Hillary, subtly distributing the
> "Obama is a Muslim"
> tripe, etc.
>
> I suppose there are a lot of Reagan Democrats out
> there, and many
> support HIllary (which is good), but it sorta scares
> me to hear such
> negativity, esp. when THE PRIZE is to win the White
> House for the
> Democrats in 2008. This election is larger than any
> particular
> candidate: a woman's right to choose, the future of
> the Supreme Court,
> the lives being wasted in Iraq, the money being
> flushed down a rathole
> in Iraq, the deficits, the treatment of the most
> vulnerable in our
> society, the intolerance and bigotry, etc., etc.,
> etc.
>
> Obama and Clinton are just the supporting players
> in a MUCH MUCH larger
> and more important three-act play.
>
>
> --- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Latham
> <gabrielled2003@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Nice column, but again Krugman is wrong. It is
> being slung from both
> sides, not just Obama's supporters. I have read on
> here and I know
> Clinton supporters who have said it is Clinton or no
> one for them. Sorry
> but I for one think most OP-ED pieces are good for
> nothing more than to
> line the cat litter box. He even stated that he
> wasn't even going to try
> to be evenhanded.
> >
> > All he has to do is join this group and he will
> see garbage remarks
> coming from both sides, with some of us trying to
> referee and stating
> that we need to be united no matter who the nominee
> is.
> >
> > OM for Peace om4peace@... wrote:
> > Op-Ed Columnist
> > Hate Springs Eternal By PAUL KRUGMAN
> > February 11, 2008 In 1956 Adlai Stevenson, running
> against Dwight
> Eisenhower, tried to make the political style of his
> opponent's vice
> president, a man by the name of Richard Nixon, an
> issue. The nation, he
> warned, was in danger of becoming "a land of slander
> and scare; the
> land of sly innuendo, the poison pen, the anonymous
> phone call and
> hustling, pushing, shoving; the land of smash and
> grab and anything to
> win. This is Nixonland."
> > The quote comes from "Nixonland," a
> soon-to-be-published
> political history of the years from 1964 to 1972
> written by Rick
> Perlstein, the author of "Before the Storm." As Mr.
> Perlstein
> shows, Stevenson warned in vain: during those years
> America did indeed
> become the land of slander and scare, of the
> politics of hatred.
> > And it still is. In fact, these days even the
> Democratic Party seems
> to be turning into Nixonland.
> > The bitterness of the fight for the Democratic
> nomination is, on the
> face of it, bizarre. Both candidates still standing
> are smart and
> appealing. Both have progressive agendas (although I
> believe that
> Hillary Clinton is more serious about achieving
> universal health care,
> and that Barack Obama has staked out positions that
> will undermine his
> own efforts). Both have broad support among the
> party's grass roots
> and are favorably viewed by Democratic voters.
> > Supporters of each candidate should have no
> trouble rallying behind
> the other if he or she gets the nod.
> > Why, then, is there so much venom out there?
> > I won't try for fake evenhandedness here: most of
> the venom I see
> is coming from supporters of Mr. Obama, who want
> their hero or nobody.
> I'm not the first to point out that the Obama
> campaign seems
> dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality.
> We've already
> had that from the Bush administration — remember
> Operation Flight
> Suit? We really don't want to go there again.
> > What's particularly saddening is the way many
> Obama supporters
> seem happy with the application of "Clinton rules" —
> the
> term a number of observers use for the way pundits
> and some news
> organizations treat any action or statement by the
> Clintons, no matter
> how innocuous, as proof of evil intent.
> > The prime example of Clinton rules in the 1990s
> was the way the press
> covered Whitewater. A small, failed land deal became
> the basis of a
> multiyear, multimillion-dollar investigation, which
> never found any
> evidence of wrongdoing on the Clintons' part, yet
> the
> "scandal" became a symbol of the Clinton
> administration's
> alleged corruption.
> > During the current campaign, Mrs. Clinton's
> entirely reasonable
> remark that it took L.B.J.'s political courage and
> skills to bring
> Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream to fruition was cast
> as some kind of
> outrageous denigration of Dr. King.
> > And the latest prominent example came when David
> Shuster of MSNBC,
> after pointing out that Chelsea Clinton was working
> for her mother's
> campaign — as adult children of presidential
> aspirants often do
> — asked, "doesn't it seem like Chelsea's sort of
> being
> pimped out in some weird sort of way?" Mr. Shuster
> has been
> suspended, but as the Clinton campaign rightly
> points out, his remark
> was part of a broader pattern at the network.
> > I call it Clinton rules, but it's a pattern that
> goes well beyond
> the Clintons. For example, Al Gore was subjected to
> Clinton rules during
> the 2000 campaign: anything he said, and some things
> he didn't say
> (no, he never claimed to have invented the
> Internet), was held up as
> proof of his alleged character flaws.
> > For now, Clinton rules are working in Mr. Obama's
> favor. But his
> supporters should not take comfort in that fact.
> > For one thing, Mrs. Clinton may yet be the nominee
> — and if Obama
> supporters care about anything beyond hero worship,
> they should want to
> see her win in November.
> > For another, if history is any guide, if Mr. Obama
> wins the
> nomination, he will quickly find himself being
> subjected to Clinton
> rules. Democrats always do.
> > But most of all, progressives should realize that
> Nixonland is not the
> country we want to be. Racism, misogyny and
> character assassination are
> all ways of distracting voters from the issues, and
> people who care
> about the issues have a shared interest in making
> the politics of hatred
> unacceptable.
> > One of the most hopeful moments of this
> presidential campaign came
> last month, when a number of Jewish leaders signed a
> letter condemning
> the smear campaign claiming that Mr. Obama was a
> secret Muslim. It's
> a good guess that some of those leaders would prefer
> that Mr. Obama not
> become president; nonetheless, they understood that
> there are principles
> that matter more than short-term political
> advantage.
> > I'd like to see more moments like that, perhaps
> starting
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