[Dems2008] Re: Who Campaigned Dirty First?

1. the Clintons have not played the race card
2. and the Sun rises in the West

--- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, "worldpeacesoon" <berts420@...> wrote:
>
> I think it was the media that lead those attacks, to blame Obama for remarks Bill Clinton
> made is, well silly. Obama has had a different view than Hillary on the iraq war.
> Unfortunately he was not in the senate in 2003, or he would have voted againt the
> authorization to go to war with iraq. Surely he wasn't going to deny troops food and
> bullets and flac jackets when he finally reached the senate. Hillary Clinton, John McCain
> and George Bush started the war and Obama inherited it by election.
>
> Judgement is important Eric. I think over 13 million people (more votes than Hillary and
> more states and more delegates) have made a great judgement call for Obama. The
> Clintons started with low brow tactics and the media spun it and Obama ran with it. The
> Clintons dug their hole. They are now reduced to Roveian tactics, using national security
> to differ herself from Obama, while totally failing herself against McCain. Democrats don't
> attack democrats like this in the primary, it only serves to divide the party and give ammo
> to the republicans. On top of that, Bill Clinton had less foriegn policy expierience than
> Obama when he entered the oval office.
>
> --- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, Eric Koszyk e_koszyk@ wrote:
> >
> > Sue, I guess I see it differently. I think Obama waged
> > a very nasty campaign first.
> >
> > I remember when Obama first raised the race card. He
> > said Bill Clinton had said that Obama's run was "a
> > fairy tale" which was misleading. Clinton had said
> > that Obama having a different view on Iraq than Sen.
> > Clinton was a "fairy tale" -- he was pointing out that
> > both Senators had voted the same on every Iraq War
> > legislation.
> >
> > I also didn't like it when the Obama campaign attacked
> > Clinton for "downplaying MLKs legacy", which was also
> > misleading. Sen. Clinton had made the statement that
> > it took a president with substantial power and guts,
> > LBJ, to see part of MLKs efforts to become realized.
> > This was of course historically true. It did take LBJ
> > to sign the Voting Rights Act into law.
> >
> > For Obama and his wife to have played the race card
> > and to try to make the Clintons look racist -- that
> > was dirty politics at its worst. That happened back in
> > the end of January. And it left a lot of Clinton
> > supporters, myself included, very upset. It showed
> > that Obama's pledge to be post partisan was just a lot
> > of hot air.
> >
> > Oh and thanks for calling Senator Clinton a bitch. You
> > again make yourself look bad.
> >
> > I'm so tired of folks saying Clinton is so negative
> > and oh whaa, why can't she just give up already and
> > get on the bandwagon. Oh she is sooooo awful for
> > thinking that the Democratic nomination should
> > actually be contested. Please, if you think that
> > Hillary is tough wait untill McCain starts to
> > campaign. If the Democratic candidate starts to whine,
> > then he will crush us deservedly.
> >
> >
> > --- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, "Sue Tucker"
> > <suectucker@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't think there will be a Republican in the Oval
> > office in '09. But I think you are right about
> > Hillary. She is waging a nasty campaign and forcing
> > Obama to do the same, which was not his original
> > intent. It's a shame she has to be such a bitch, but I
> > believe that's the nature of the beast. For me...it'll
> > work just fine, since I am voting for Obama anyway!
> > > Sue
> > >
> > > I'm sorry to say it, but i think you may be correct.
> > With the tactics Hillary has used in the
> > > past few weeks, she is turning off a lot of voters.
> > i fear a Hillary nomination= a McCain
> > > presidency.
> >
> >
> >
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