He was a righteous dude.
--- citation502 <citation502@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Ed, I think we are on the same page.
>
> * I most definitely do NOT in any way diminish
> the Holocaust. In
> fact, I consider it not just the Jews' problem; it
> is ALL OUR problem
> and issue. Each non-Jew is diminished by that
> episode in humankind.
> * Nor do I (and this what part of my original
> point) offer some
> DISTINCTION between 140 years of enslavement
> followed by lynchings, on
> the one hand, and extermination on the other. Both
> are so far beyond
> acceptable human behavior toward others as to be
> EQUALLY condemned.
> * As to BOTH, the poem applies equally:
> When the Nazis came for the communists
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist> ,
> I remained silent;
> I was not a communist.
>
> When they locked up the social democrats
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democrat> ,
> I remained silent;
> I was not a social democrat.
>
> When they came for the trade unionists
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_union> ,
> I did not speak out;
> I was not a trade unionist.
>
> When they came for the Jews
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews> ,
> I remained silent;
> I wasn't a Jew.
>
> When they came for me,
> there was no one left to speak out. "First they
> came…" is a poem
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poem> attributed to
> Pastor Martin
> Niemöller
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller>
>
> (1892–1984) about the inactivity of German
> intellectuals
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual>
> following the Nazi
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism> rise to power
> and the purging of
> their chosen targets, group after group.
>
> --- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, Edward Hochman
> <whovian7_2000@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > have never had their history stripped clean from
> them; nor their name;
> family back ground, history; religion, and family!
> >
> > this has happened to Jews, not in the same manner
> it was done to black
> people but it did happen throughout history in many
> ways. This is not to
> ignore our 300 year old shame and we should
> recognize the inequity of
> the situation even today. slavery and its
> aftereffects need to be
> recognized in this nation as we are still trying to
> cope with it.
> >
> > ed
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: sharon payne phairdesigner45@...
> > To: Dems2008@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:19:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Dems2008] The American Jew
> disconnect
> >
> >
> > Alright,alright! Jews and Blacks have gone through
> a lot but, Black
> still are going through this situation til this day.
> My son's God father
> is Jewish, so leave that be. Jews have never had
> their history stripped
> clean from them; nor their name; family back ground,
> history; religion,
> and family! Blacks were brought here against their
> will, told to do the
> work of someone whom was call their Master. Raped
> from everything,
> including female pride and males studded for profit.
> Given food less for
> a dog and told to love it. Sold from families and
> separated from
> parents, children, husbands and wives. Scared be on
> belief and raped
> some more as a bed warmer for master or the
> undertaker. Have children in
> the fields and still told to go to work. We were
> sold just like cattle
> and not able to be read as that was not for monkey's
> to learn. All
> nationalities had us as slaves, except the American
> Indians.
> >
> > I found out when my grandfather died that he was a
> true Indian by my
> uncles. My grandfather during WWI had senses
> document him as black
> against the dismay of his Mother and Father and my
> aunts and uncles,
> whom stated they were Indians. I found out that he
> did this because
> American Indians were even less than blacks and for
> him to go to
> College, he had to tell them he was Black.
> >
> > We all have stories to tell, but when do we get
> past all the divide
> and move on. Our children and their children are
> counting on us. So we
> as Americans must make a chose, to get along or
> continue the hate they
> want us to continue. The world will never get along
> until we do.
> >
> > Remember we all come from Adam and Eve and all our
> ancestor come from
> out of Africa, so actually we are brother and
> sisters.
> >
> > When we bleed we bleed red and we all get sick and
> we all can donate
> to one another and we all die the same way alone.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: nancy m gibson nmgibson@...
> > To: Dems2008@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 8:28:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Dems2008] The American Jew
> disconnect
> >
> >
> > Excuse me but I don't think any people have cared
> more about what
> A.A.'s
> > have gone through than the Jewish people. I find
> your post to be very
> > out of line. But after all Mr know it all WASP
> what more can I expect
> > from you.-------- --------- - Nan
> >
> >
> >
> > COULD A GREATER MIRACLE TAKE PLACE, THAN FOR US
> > TO LOOK THROUGH EACH OTHERS EYES, FOR AN INSTANT.
> > Henry David Thoreau
> > My Jewish friends have told me for years that
> anyone who lives with a
> memory of the atrocities of the Holocaust in their
> background and
> heritage will forever feel more vulnerable than
> those who do not. And I
> accept and believe that. The atrocities of the
> Holocaust are almost
> incalculable, too horrific in quality and dimensions
> to be measured or
> fully appreciated by any of us. What I find curious,
> however, is the
> SELECTIVITY of the American Jew when it comes to
> that feeling of
> vulnerability. There's a wide disconnect between the
> American Jew who
> rightly feels that vulnerability and their
> dismissive attitude toward
> the vulnerability that American blacks still feel
> today. The Holocaust
> took place half a world away. Slavery, Jim Crow,
> lynching,
> marginalization, substandard segregated schools,
> literacy test and poll
> taxes to vote took place right here in OUR states
> and communities. The
> Holocaust took place more than sixty years ago. The
> German shepherds
> > and fire hoses turned on blacks in our own country
> occurred while many
> of us were alive......just over forty years ago. The
> Holocaust was the
> creation of persons living in other countries,
> speaking an entirely
> different language, and following the teachings of
> political parties
> rarely known in this country. 350 years of slavery,
> Jim
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