Re: [Dems2008] Re: McCain vs. Hillary : the longer view

Yes. but I believe that the issue of racism should be further brought out. If is likely to be dropped out for a while if Obama loses and that wouldn't do a thing. This issue should be brought up on all level of the political party structure incl. the DNC. TO push to it gives in the face of their meetings to point out that use of the race should not be a factor in chosing a presidential candidate. the last time we discussed race as a nation led to the civil rights act of 1964 and that passed due to the impetus of Kennedy's death, martin luthor king and then LBJ promoting it through channels in congress. we disagree on the idea of using the election as a matter of protest. The immediate issues I feel are too important but I feel that the issue of rascism must be kept alive and brought to greater attention publically as well as to the party for the reasons you give. We must change the direction of the nation at this time; the party should be made to
feel the reprecussion of our beliefs through us pushing it after a democrat is elected. We need to produce lasting change, not something that time will put under the table as I feel that your idea would produce.

Ed

----- Original Message ----
From: citation502 <citation502@yahoo.com>
To: Dems2008@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 3:39:16 PM
Subject: [Dems2008] Re: McCain vs. Hillary : the longer view

Ed, you and I don't disagree on the facts. We part company on the
relative primacy given by each of us to certain ideals of behavior,
the extent to which racism may be employed to garner our party's
nomination, the extent to which dishonesty and lack of integrity are
relevant. That's fair. we disagree.

--- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, Edward Hochman <whovian7_2000@...>
wrote:
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> "
> Could I vote for McCain? Certainly not. Would I vote for a
candidate who (together with her husband) lacks anything resembling a
moral compass? NO WAY. I would tolerate another four years of the
GOP, knowing that there is a larger lesson to be learned and
achieved, and knowing that even at the level that McCain would
operate, we'll survive."
>
>
> Further involvement means deeper debts that the 1 trillion dollar
one we have right now, continuation of the erosion of our civil
liberties via patriot act, evesdropping bill, etc, further
exploitation by the oil companies, and so forth. we will survive-
yes we will but at what level? Will we even have the right to
protest at that time?
>
> ed
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>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Citation <citation502@...>
> To: ..Democrats_2008 Group <Democrats_2008@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 2:39:05 PM
> Subject: [Dems2008] McCain vs. Hillary : the longer view
>
>
> Bush/Cheney, of course, are abysmal; probably the worst
administration we've seen in 90 years in this country. It would take
a mighty important reason to want any direct or indirect continuation
of same
> McCain is an idiot, only slightly better than what we have today in
Bush/Cheney
> But I have to step back: through our Peace Corps daughter's now-
two-year experience in a developing country, and our own travels thru
Central America and South America, we conclude that on our very worst
day, in our very worst week, at the worst of bush/Cheney, we are
freer, more prosperous, better off in every way than 95% of the
world's people on their very best day. Corruption, inefficiencies,
etc., etc. are so bad elsewhere that if our government were a tenth
what it is today, we would still be better off than almost all other
persons on this planet.
> So, with that frame of reference, it's certainly not the end of
the world if we get McCain this November. By no means desirable,
but not the worst fate that can befall us.
> And, so, if there are larger goals or purposes that we can achieve
by tolerating another four years of the GOP, then maybe there are
circumstances in which McCain would be someone we could just hold our
noses about and suffer thru for another four years.
> TO ME (and everyone has his or her own take on these things), if
Hillary is the nominee this summer, there IS in fact a higher purpose
and a greater goal that would be served by her defeat, NAMELY, it
might send an historic message that deceit and racism will not permit
one to gain either a nomination or an election in the general, that
we are not going to tolerate the sort of distortion, misbehavior,
divisiveness, and unprincipled behavior that we get from Bill and
Hillary.
> Could I vote for McCain? Certainly not. Would I vote for a
candidate who (together with her husband) lacks anything resembling a
moral compass? NO WAY. I would tolerate another four years of the
GOP, knowing that there is a larger lesson to be learned and
achieved, and knowing that even at the level that McCain would
operate, we'll survive.
> Sometimes there are just longer-term goals and purposes to be
achieved than simply the election of a woman to be president. Much
as I hope dearly that in my lifetime we will see it commonplace for a
woman to run for president, and be elected president, we don't have
to stoop to the level of just accepting any miscreant just because
she's female.
>
>
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