RE: [Dems2008] Re: Now we understand why this was stupid

You left out a few puzzles in the florida equation-  Republican Governor Charlie Crist, Repr Legislature-                          State Senate-   26 Republicans  14 Democrats  house representatives  77 Republicans, 41 Democrats.  Yes Gov Crist knew how to embarrass the Democratic Party; but that is not all.  Instead of having a no delegates penalty with the RNC, THEy would chose to half the delegation and say,  "Fl republicans should not have but we (Repubicans) care about our citizens, we must penalize Reps but we must not disenfranchise Republicans in this state like the DNC IS DOING.   I can't speak about Michigan, only Florida. 
 
"Well, don't the  55 Democrats have the guts to tell off the 106 Republicans in the State Legislature and defeat this bill?"
 
After all the Republicans in both houses are nearly twice the amount of democrats in each house.  Yes, Republicans need to be scared of losing their power with the numeric advantage of the Democrats in each branch. 
 
Once this was done, it was felt that a caucus independent of the primary would result in fewer people voting for their choice of candidates than a primary which is more traditional.  We were afraid of further disenfranchisement.  There has been verification of these fears by people who participated in other states.
 
There are people that look at rules as absolutes and while I believe in rules and regulations, history has demonstrated that such disposition ignores individual circumstances and therefore is not just.  Justice demands that each circumstance be looked individually and at the particular circumstances democrats in the states operate, otherwise, there is no justice.
 
Ed

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To: Dems2008@yahoogroups.com
From: objection21@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 01:45:44 +0000
Subject: [Dems2008] Re: Now we understand why this was stupid

If anyone should pay it should be the people of FL and MI. Sure, it
wasn't their fault but Crist knew exactly what he was doing and
instead of finding an alternative the FL Dems right along with it.

And what did the MI voters think their votes would do with 1
candidate on the ballot!

--- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, suzi meyers <libertylsmom@...> wrote:
>
> You are mistaken. Folks have been crying over these votes for
months.
>
> Quaja <zydeco_girl@...> wrote: ya know, nobody cried over
their spilled votes until tues...hhhmmmm
> they knew the rules...and no i dont think the DNC shoud pay for
their
> bad choices...they need to have a fundraiser or something to get the
> whole thing done over. I am with you Nan, i feel for them...but i am
> sure the people holding office will pay the price later...
> peace
>
> --- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, Edward Hochman <eah01@> wrote:
> >
> > I am a believer that what comes around goes around. What if many
> democrats come election time decide to watch MASH all day at home
> instead of voting come that fateful day in both states because of
the
> DNC not relating to their needs? So much for the 50 state strategy
> cause these would be autowins for the GOP. There are potentially
> serious ramifications in terms of voter turnout in november in both
> states. and this may just set back the cause of local dems taking
> over the state legislature by helping to elect republicans?
> >
> > Ed
> >
> >
> > To: Dems2008@: nmgibson@: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 12:26:18
> -0800Subject: Re: [Dems2008] Now we understand why this was stupid
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> > I don't think Dean was the best choice to begin with, in fact
> > he was a pretty bad choice. But what can he do at this
> > junction. I don't think he can just give in. I feel terrible
> > that the people in Florida and Michigan have to suffer
> > over it. ----------------Nan
> >
> > I CARE NOT FOR A MANS RELIGION WHOSEDOG AND CAT ARE NOT THE BETTER
> FOR IT. Abraham Lincoln
> >
> > The Florida/Michigan disaster has been brewing for awhile. BUT,
> whatDean has done is reignite the smoldering mess he created in the
> firstplace. Instead of quietly settling this inside the party he
> openedthis to a public debate led by Florida's REPUBLICAN governor.
> (Who bythe way is laughing his ass off)This is just one smoldering
> fire after another that marks what is nowthe hot mess of the 2008
> campaign. We need leadership to deal withthis as quickly and as
> quietly as possible. We need leadership toreign in the outrageous
> negative attacks. We need leadership toCLEARLY outline a plan by
which
> we can rapidly and efficently andpolitically plan for the next five
> months that will work to ouradvantage. There is ONE advantage to
this
> situation. We do have center stage. Ijust wish that we had a party
> leadership and a body politic smartenough to take advantage. But so
> far all I have seen us do is piss gason a fire.
> >
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