ed
To: Dems2008@yahoogroups.com
From: objection21@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 02:51:39 +0000
Subject: [Dems2008] Re: Now we understand why this was stupid
The Dems didn't have to change the minds of the FL Republicans, they__._,_.___
could have opted to hold a provisional primary on 1/29 and do something
else with the help of the DNC. The FL dems and the DNC should have
dealt with this earlier, but following the rules is what adults are
expected to do and to change it after the rules were established and
agreed to is why we're in a mess now.
--- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com , Edward Hochman <eah01@...> wrote:
>
> Fairness and Justice are values that distinguishes our two parties; I
am a Democrat because the Democratic Party has always had those values
uppermost out front. It was the Democratic Party that gave impetus to
great men like Martin Luthor King in the Civil Rights Act of 1964, It
was the Democratic Party that calls for real improvements in our
education system to make sure that children not only get a better
education but provides breakfests and lunches to children in need, it is
the Democratic Party that is calling for reforms in the Prescription
medicine bill so that people don't get caught up in the donut hole issue
involved in the current law, We can discuss roe vs wade, the
environment,etc. the republican answer is always privatization or how to
give business more profit. Democrats care about people and principle
matters. We need to maintain our system of right and wrong.
>
> and tell me how 55 Democrats can force 103 republicans to change their
plans.
>
> as far as the vote in florida, obama will get a significant amount of
delegates so hillary's success is very minor.
>
> ed
>
>
> To: Dems2008@...: objection21@ ...: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 02:30:02
+0000Subject: [Dems2008] Re: Now we understand why this was stupid
>
>
>
>
>
> To an extent I agree with you, but this is why the Democrats always
have such problems. We can't give everyone equal pieces of everything
and try to make the world a perfect circle. Rules are not always
absolutes but when the National Party says "if you do this...this will
happen" and the state does it without trying to find a way to reconcile
BEFORE it got out of hand, that' is ridiculous.
> I understand what you're saying Ed but the Dems have a history of
making this more difficult than they have to be. We have caucuses and
primaries, winner take all AND proportional representation...it makes
everything a big mess all in the name of fairness. What has all this
fairness gotten us but 8 years of Bush and if we let FL and MI distract
us it will be 8 years of McCain.
> Even with MI and FL neither will have enough delegates and it will
likely still go to the convention. --- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com ,
Edward Hochman eah01@ wrote:>> You left out a few puzzles in the florida
equation- Republican Governor Charlie Crist, Repr Legislature- State
Senate- 26 Republicans 14 Democrats house representatives 77
Republicans, 41 Democrats. Yes Gov Crist knew how to embarrass the
Democratic Party; but that is not all. Instead of having a no delegates
penalty with the RNC, THEy would chose to half the delegation and say,
"Fl republicans should not have but we (Repubicans) care about our
citizens, we must penalize Reps but we must not disenfranchise
Republicans in this state like the DNC IS DOING. I can't speak about
Michigan, only Florida. > > "Well, don't the 55 Democrats have the guts
to tell off the 106 Republicans in the State Legislature and defeat this
bill?"> > After all the Republicans in both houses are nearly twice the
amount of democrats in each house. Yes, Republicans need to be scared of
losing their power with the numeric advantage of the Democrats in each
branch. > > Once this was done, it was felt that a caucus independent of
the primary would result in fewer people voting for their choice of
candidates than a primary which is more traditional. We were afraid of
further disenfranchisement. There has been verification of these fears
by people who participated in other states.> > There are people that
look at rules as absolutes and while I believe in rules and regulations,
history has demonstrated that such disposition ignores individual
circumstances and therefore is not just. Justice demands that each
circumstance be looked individually and at the particular circumstances
democrats in the states operate, otherwise, there is no justice.> > Ed>
> > To: Dems2008@: objection21@: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 01:45:44 +0000Subject:
[Dems2008] Re: Now we understand why this was stupid> > > > > If anyone
should pay it should be the people of FL and MI. Sure, it wasn't their
fault but Crist knew exactly what he was doing and instead of finding an
alternative the FL Dems right along with it. And what did the MI voters
think their votes would do with 1 candidate on the ballot!--- In
Dems2008@yahoogroups.com , suzi meyers libertylsmom@ wrote:>> You are
mistaken. Folks have been crying over these votes for months. > > Quaja
zydeco_girl@ wrote: ya know, nobody cried over their spilled votes until
tues...hhhmmmm> they knew the rules...and no i dont think the DNC shoud
pay for their> bad choices...they need to have a fundraiser or something
to get the> whole thing done over. I am with you Nan, i feel for
them...but i am> sure the people holding office will pay the price
later...> peace> > --- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com , Edward Hochman
<eah01@> wrote:> >> > I am a believer that what comes around goes
around. What if many> democrats come election time decide to watch MASH
all day at home> instead of voting come that fateful day in both states
because of the> DNC not relating to their needs? So much for the 50
state strategy> cause these would be autowins for the GOP. There are
potentially> serious ramifications in terms of voter turnout in november
in both> states. and this may just set back the cause of local dems
taking> over the state legislature by helping to elect republicans? > >
> > Ed> > > > > > To: Dems2008@: nmgibson@: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 12:26:18>
-0800Subject: Re: [Dems2008] Now we understand why this was stupid> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I don't think Dean was the best choice to begin
with, in fact> > he was a pretty bad choice. But what can he do at this>
> junction. I don't think he can just give in. I feel terrible> > that
the people in Florida and Michigan have to suffer> > over it.
----------------Nan> > > > I CARE NOT FOR A MANS RELIGION WHOSEDOG AND
CAT ARE NOT THE BETTER> FOR IT. Abraham Lincoln> > > > The
Florida/Michigan disaster has been brewing for awhile. BUT,> whatDean
has done is reignite the smoldering mess he created in the> firstplace.
Instead of quietly settling this inside the party he> openedthis to a
public debate led by Florida's REPUBLICAN governor.> (Who bythe way is
laughing his ass off)This is just one smoldering> fire after another
that marks what is nowthe hot mess of the 2008> campaign. We need
leadership to deal withthis as quickly and as> quietly as possible. We
need leadership toreign in the outrageous> negative attacks. We need
leadership toCLEARLY outline a plan by which> we can rapidly and
efficently andpolitically plan for the next five> months that will work
to ouradvantage. There is ONE advantage to this> situation. We do have
center stage. Ijust wish that we had a party> leadership and a body
politic smartenough to take advantage. But so> far all I have seen us do
is piss gason a fire.> >> > > > > > > --------------------- --------- --->
Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.>>
>
Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional
Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required)
Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured
Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe
__,_._,___
Hiç yorum yok:
Yorum Gönder