Democrats in 2008: Re: [Dems2008] Re: Who's hoodwinking who?

While _I_ think he lied... and a lot of people think he lied....

The problem is PROVING he committed perjury. Perjury is actually quite hard to actually prove unless you're idiot about it (See: Bill Clinton, Martha Stewart, Scooter Libby and Barry Bonds). You have to prove that you not only didn't tell the truth but you purposely lied. It's very easy to make statements etc that skirt the truth without actually being a lie.

Slainte,
Rob Harrington

----- Original Message ----
From: Edward Hochman <eah01@msn.com>
To: Dems2008@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 3:17:09 PM
Subject: [Dems2008] Re: Who's hoodwinking who?

I accept that point re: purjury but what about this:

yet will tolerate a President
> > who lied to the american public and congress about events that
led us
> > into Iraq. weapons of mass destruction Iraq has.......even cheney
> > says that to this day despite being proved wrong. this was the
> > premise. and yet we tolerate that and don't push harder on the
> > impeachment bill in the house. It is believed that he was awol
when
> > he was in the National Guard but we can't find out the conclusion
of any findings for those actions.

Patriot Acts, Govt surveillance of US citizens, denial of saying
things recorded on tv, we don't hold him accountable for. Is Bush
above the law. We at least had a trial for Bill and we realized that
he lied. He was disbarred at least for
> > a while. But Bush...........we seem to have a double standard
here.
> > I guess that the current President of this nation can do no wrong
and
> > that is the way he was.
> >

--- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, Rob Harrington <Eamon1916@...> wrote:
>
> the "private matter between Hillary and Bill" became a public
matter the second Bill lied under oath.
>
> I don't care if you're lying about an affair, stock sales, leaking
classified information, or steroids... Perjury is perjury.
>
> Slainte,
> Rob Harrington
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: citation502 <citation502@...>
> To: Dems2008@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 3:00:41 PM
> Subject: [Dems2008] Re: Who's hoodwinking who?
>
>
> 
> Ed, I know the party line from NOW: "it's a private matter between
Hillary and Bill." I know the line, okay?
>
> But when a president or a governor or any other public official
puts himself or herself in a position where his or her private
behavior may give someone the power to extort an action out of the
official (in exchange for silence), then it is very much our business.
>
> Imagine if a disgruntled or rejected Monica were to let it slip to
a lobbyist or another interest that she could prove (blue dress,
semen stains, and all) that she had real leverage over the
president. Would it be any of our business that he or she could
compromise on any issue of public importance to preserve their secret?
>
>
> --- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Hochman" <eah01@> wrote:
> >
> > I forget the reason why he wasn't but it wasn't for an affair
> > situation which should have been between him and hillary; it was
for
> > lying to congress. Other than that, his administration had erased
a
> > debt created by the first bush, had a strong economy, developed a
> > surplus, a plus for civil rights, immigration reform and more.
> >
> > People are not tolerant of his lie and yet will tolerate a
President
> > who lied to the american public and congress about events that
led us
> > into Iraq. weapons of mass destruction Iraq has.......even cheney
> > says that to this day despite being proved wrong. this was the
> > premise. and yet we tolerate that and don't push harder on the
> > impeachment bill in the house. It is believed that he was awol
when
> > he was in the National Guard but we can't find out the
conclussion of
> > any findings for those actions. Patriot Acts, Govt surveillance
of
> > US citizens, denial of saying things recorded on tv, we don't
hold
> > him accountable for. Is Bush above the law. We at least had a
trial
> > for Bill and we realized that he lied. He was disbarred at least
for
> > a while. But Bush...........we seem to have a double standard
here.
> > I guess that the current President of this nation can do no wrong
and
> > that is the way he was.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, "citation502" citation502@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Ed,
> > >
> > > In my view Bill Clinton should have been removed from office
for
> > reasons
> > > that include those for which he was disbarred.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hillary Double Standard says that selecting a president is akin
to
> > > "hiring a chief executive." Let's assume that for a
> > > moment. Any CEO who behaved in office as Bill did would have
been
> > > removed without a golden parachute.
> > >
> > > At the time, of course, the shills at NOW backed Clinton
> > forecefully,
> > > motivated, we all knew then, by the fact that their Hillary
would
> > never
> > > be elected president if history recorded her husband as having
been
> > > REMOVED from an office that he dishonored.
> > > --- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Hochman" <eah01@>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bill Clinton did a great job as President but this would be a
> > first.
> > > > Bill Clinton, the new first man? I can see a tv sitcom based
on
> > this
> > > > family. They did it with bush ("That's my Bush" which is now
out
> > on
> > > > dvd- I have a copy") and lasted for quite a few episodes.
Don't
> > > > know why it was cancelled unless it was too close to the
truth.
> > > >
> > > > ed
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, isabelle isabelle_ms@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Nan, part of the reason I like Hillary is because Bill
> > > > > Clinton will be there too, that's not a negative for
> > > > > me at all. Unlike alot of Obama supporters who I
> > > > > guess hated the Clintons all along and are using
> > > > > republican talking points against them, I think
> > > > > Clinton did a good job and people around the world
> > > > > respected us. The 90s look pretty good to me now.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- nancy m gibson nmgibson@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Yes a lot of them are. I can understand why they
> > > > > > are as I can understand
> > > > > > why so many AA are voting for Obama because of his
> > > > > > race. You are
> > > > > > talking about two groups of people who have felt
> > > > > > oppression. I am sure
> > > > > > part of the reason I am voting for Hillary is
> > > > > > because she is a woman and
> > > > > > I admit it is not the best reason. ----------Nan
> > > > > >
> > > > > > IF I HAD A CHOICE I WOULD KILL EVERY REPORTER,
> > > > > > BUT I AM SURE WE WOULD BE GETTING REPORTS
> > > > > > FROM HELL BEFORE BREAKFAST.
> > > > > > General W.T.Sherman
> > > > > > So all those women voting for Hillary just because
> > > > > > she is a woman are
> > > > > > voting for her for the wrong reasons?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
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