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Re: [Dems2008] Florida

that article that I read on line did not mention Obama's conditions.  so I didn't know

 

ed



----- Original Message ----
From: Lou B <loubrex@gmail.com>
To: Dems2008@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2008 8:23:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Dems2008] Florida

I read that DNC and Dean have had meetings relative to seating Florida delegates subject to an agreement between the two candidates.  My understanding is that Obama offered to accept if delegates are split and Clinton turned that offer down, can you clairify and state your source.
 
Lou

On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 8:18 AM, Edward Hochman <whovian7_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

Sounds like Obama's team is holding it up since they haven't given their demands.  They have seccumbed to blaming Clinton who has been specific in asking for half the normal delegates to be authorized.

 

ed



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From: Carole Tomaras <cbt7958@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2008 7:30:33 AM
Subject: [Dems2008] Florida

Palm Beach Post Staff Writers
Thursday, April 03, 2008
WASHINGTON — A pledge from Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean to seat Florida convention delegates sets a new tone for how the state will be treated and puts pressure on the presidential candidates to find a compromise, party leaders said Wednesday.
But campaign officials for Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama warned there was no pending deal. And strategists said neither candidate would benefit from an immediate agreement.
A Clinton spokesman said her campaign would wait to negotiate until the DNC considered an appeal to restore at least half of the state's delegates. The DNC is expected to decide the merits of that petition this week.
Until Obama and Clinton sort out the results from rogue primaries in Florida and Michigan, more than 400 delegates will have to wait to make travel plans to Denver for perhaps the most anticipated convention in a generation. A party spokeswoman said Wednesday that delegates from both states would not be assigned hotel rooms until their seats at the August convention were formally guaranteed.
Dean's pledge put the onus for a solution for Florida's delegates on Obama and Clinton. Delegates formally nominate their party's presidential candidate at the national convention. Most delegates pledge their vote based on results from their home state's primary election.
U.S. Rep. Alcee Hastings, a Miramar Democrat supporting Clinton, said he planned to talk to the New York senator "as soon as possible" and urge her to reach a solution. Hastings said he would not propose a specific plan.
U.S. Rep. Robert Wexler, a Delray Beach Democrat pledged to Obama, said he planned to talk with the Illinois senator's campaign manager and chief political strategist to discuss options.
Wexler said two plans appeared to be the focus of attention.
One would give Clinton a margin of 19 delegates by allocating half of the delegates based on the Jan. 29 primary. The other half would be split evenly between the two.
The second idea would give Clinton a margin of six delegates. That plan would allocate partial votes to half of the delegates based on the statewide results. The other half would receive partial votes based on election results in each congressional district.
Obama leads Clinton by roughly 130 delegates.
Meanwhile, national party leaders are weighing the merits of an appeal from Florida DNC member Jon Ausman, who claims the DNC charter protects all of the state's superdelegates and at least half of the pledged delegates.
Dean's pledge on Wednesday did not address Michigan, but its lawmakers are also talking to him.
The tight race between the candidates means that any change in the delegate count could be seen as a sign of momentum. With the intense focus on delegates, some Democrats said Dean's pledge was a "good first step" but that neither candidate would benefit from an immediate agreement for Florida.
Clinton would gain delegates under the two plans Wexler identified, but not as many as she would if the full delegation was seated based on the primary, which she won by 17 points. Clinton has maintained that the full delegation should be seated.
For Obama, even a partial vote for the state's delegation would mean conceding some of his lead in the total delegate count with 10 primary contests remaining. The next primary is April 22 in Pennsylvania.
U.S. Rep. Ron Klein, D-Boca Raton, has not pledged support to either candidate. He said he expects the campaigns to reach an agreement when it is considered mutually beneficial.
"There will be a point in time over the next number of weeks, I imagine, in which they'll come together and make an arrangement, when they can stand next to each other and tell Democrats from around the country and in Florida that, 'This, here, is how we're going to resolve this,''" Klein said.
Florida Democrats in the U.S. House largely have acted as the liaisons for the two campaigns to hash out the state's delegates. They helped derail plans last month from the Florida Democratic Party to hold a do-over primary when they unanimously opposed a vote-by-mail proposal.
Several of the House members joined Dean and Florida Democratic Chairwoman Karen Thurman at the announcement on Wednesday.
Dean's pledge reversed a months-long position that Florida would not be recognized at the convention because the state's primary was held before Feb. 5, in violation of national party rules.
"While there may be differences of opinion in how we get there, we are all committed to ensuring that Florida's delegation is seated in Denver," Dean and Florida Democrats said in a joint statement.
Thurman said Dean's announcement sends "a very strong message" that the party has not written Florida off for November.
While Thurman and Dean were able to display unity, the campaigns for the two candidates continued posturing.
"The trick is going to be getting the Obama people to respect the process in place," Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said. "It's not as simple as getting the two campaigns to agree."
Obama supporters said they have attempted to negotiate, but the Clinton campaign responded with "essentially crickets chirping."
"Unlike the Clinton campaign, we have actively reached out to party leaders in Florida and Michigan in an effort to find a fair and workable solution," Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor said.
But Wexler said he's optimistic after the tone improved so much Wednesday from previous meetings between Dean and the delegation, in which "everyone was staking out their positions."
"The bickering is over, the posturing is over, the blaming is over, and now we're at the resolution stage," he said.

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