Re: [Dems2008] Polling and Clinton and the ANTI-Clinton Sentiment

raschueller@yahoo.com writes:

"I did not get driven to this position of despising Clinton by ANYTHING
put out by the Obama campaign."

If you despise a candidate, you can't really be objective about them.

People who support Clinton didn't all get there easily either. But you portray us as mantra-spouting, flaming feminists or traitors to the party because we're not ready to line up behind Obama. That isn't fair either.

4 years ago I favored Edwards and campaigned for Kerry.
This year Evan Bayh, Hillary and Biden were early favorites.
Bayh has been more passionate in his support of Clinton than
he was as a candidate and couldn't compete for money.
Always loved Biden and am sorry he didn't get further in the process - would love to see him as Secretary of State.

I was open to Obama before New Hampshire, but always was skeptical that he wasn't "all" he was cracked up to be.  Everything I've learned since then has only reinforced that initial feeling.

I posted this months ago and it hasn't changed:
"I like to be inspired as much as the next person, but the problems facing the next President are so massive that I cannot support someone whose mettle has not been tested and whose resume is as thin as his. 

Hillary knows the military, and has massive military support.  She knows the economy, health care, and she's winning the big states.  She knows the heads of state around the world. She knows what the job entails.  She's tough as nails, smart as a whip and knows how to fight the right wing.  So I think she's the best choice for November."

The latest gaffe in PA is only one of the things the other side will pummel Obama with.

As far as the campaigns - Clinton's has no doubt been flawed, but George Bush ran a tight campaign and turned into a lousy President. So I don't think the two can be correlated, even historically. 

November 8 2007 poll by Quinnipiac

Clinton was projected to get 48% of total registered Democrats.

Latest RCP average (3/27-4/10) for Clinton was 48.7 among registered
Democrats.

Her core support has not changed since the beginning of the campaign.
I think that may be the reason so many of us are frustrated. We
rallied behind the eventual winner, like we are supposed to.
Supporters of Biden, Dodd, Edwards, Kusinich, Richardson, and two guys
ice fishing in Maine who supported Gravel all moved to the leader of
this contest, and doing so saw our dreams of having our candidate
become president disappear. Yet we get insulted by Hillary and her
supporters by implying
A) our candidates aren't fighters and "tough"
B) that we are stupid people who are following the crowd
C) that Hillary is better than the candidates we supported

I can assure you that all of us, ok I can't speak for the two Gravel
supporters, but that the rest of us have a LONG tradition in the
party. We did not wake up one day and say OOOOHHHHH I am going to
follow Biden cause he is cute or lets follow Dodd he looks like a rock
star. Our choices are well thought out and based on a deep knowledge
of who we were supporting. Yet over and over we are told how we are
silly, gullable and naive.

I did not get driven to this position of despising Clinton by ANYTHING
put out by the Obama campaign. Obama can speak well, he is
charismatic, but I could care less if he was yellow, a foot tall, and
sniffed other candidates butts. I was moved to despising Clinton to
the point I will not support her in the fall or ever again for any
office because of her actions and the actions of her campaign. As to
the way Dodd and Richardson were treated I doubt they would garner
much sympathy from their supporters either.

So the same 48% that started out supporting Hillary are still the 48%
supporting Hillary now. Nothing has changed. Except her opponent has
garnered support from a BROAD coalition of the rest of us. The same
coalition that Hillary dismissed.

I think their might be a lesson in all this. Too bad for Clinton
supporters, who could have been spared 6 months of pain and
disappointment, made more bitter by flashes of success, had Hillary
learned that its not the size of the tent ... its the size of the crowd.

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