I am a professional negotiator not in the political arena but in business, but the approach is the same, both parties started out on their extreme ends of what they want neither expecting to get what they initially ask for. Clinton wants to get the delegates based on her initial results Obama feels a 50/50 split is involve as best I understand it of the 210 delegates Florida has on this basis Clinton would end up with a 19 delegate edge. If the geneneral guide lines of negotiations prevail the 19 delegate difference will most likely be split and Clinton would end up with a plus 10 for Florida. On the basis of this all it does is put Obama that much closer to the magic number.
Lou
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Carole Tomaras <cbt7958@yahoo.com> wrote:
The article says that both options that are currently on the table will still give Hillary a slight delegate edge in Florida but not what she would have had based on the 1/29 vote.As a Floridian and a democrat I can say that the vast majority of folks will not sit this out or vote for McCain because they feel slighted.Most people here who are democrats and felt violated by the Supreme Court decision in 2000, will vote for the democratic nominee.Some will vote for McCain because they actually prefer him to one or the other of the possible democratic choices. Some of these people were actually republicans who switched party affiliation this year.I expect that some will sit it out although I have not spoken to anyone who plans to do this.Most democrats here realize that there is too much at stake- the wars we are engaged in abroad, the economy that is tanking at home, and a Supreme Court that hangs in the balance- to make a statement just for the sake of making a statement.
Edward Hochman <whovian7_2000@Yahoo.com> wrote:Isn't it interesting on how lies perculate- our candidate or yours? the answer to ras's question is that the way the delegates are handled is going to be on who can get the benefit. forget about the rights of states to be counted unless it is november and if you depend on that, the people may make a decision you may not want based on how their votes were handled. Oh I am not saying that they would vote ffor mccain but they may sit this one out and that would have other reprecussions- Mccain would win by default and we would lose possibly at least 2 democratic congressmen. Is it worth it Mr. Presidential candidate for your dealing? and don't blame hillary; Obama's playing games as well. Pres Candidates time to put all the cards on the table.as far as 50/50 this would negate the slight edge Hillary has. again another obama football.ed
Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2008 11:06:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Dems2008] Re: Florida
50/50 is not an offer, it's an insult. All of the delegates in Florida, including the obama delegates, have said that isn't acceptable.
Delegate on CNN last night:
SCHULTZ: Anderson, I can tell you that our delegation is united against a 50-50 split. That includes Obama supporters, as well as Clinton supporters, and our members that have not taken a position. A 50-50 split makes absolutely no sense. There are 1.7 million voters that went to the polls on January 29. We had a record turnout, and whoever the nominee is needs to be selected by Democrats from all 50 states who weighed in. A random 50- 50 split makes absolutely no sense and would be unfair and would disenfranchise voters in Florida.
SCHULTZ: And I would like -- you know, I would like, Anderson, to hear Senator Obama, you know, once and for all say that he thinks Florida's delegation should be seated. Because I've heard a lot of his surrogates go near that statement. David is saying it here tonight.
But I think that voters in Florida need to -- they've heard from Hillary Clinton. She believes the Florida delegation should be seated. We would love that -- those words from Senator Obama's mouth, and we have yet to hear that.
raschueller@yahoo.com writes:
The Obama campaign started this process long ago. They were the first
--- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, Edward Hochman <whovian7_2000@...> wrote:
>
>Sounds like Obama's team is holding it up since they haven't given
their demands.
to reccomend a 50/50 split. So no he is not holding up the process.Clinton first turned down the 50/50 split offered a month ago. Who is
>They have seccumbed to blaming Clinton who has been specific in
>asking for half the normal delegates to be authorized.
>
holding this up???? This whole situation was the making of the DNC
rules and bylaws committee who is chaired by two Hillary Clinton
supporters. Gee isn't it nice how those lies percolate.
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