Re: [Dems2008] Re: Little Off Topic

Sorry, I forgot to mention that I always laugh, not just smile, when I say that. [Eighty something acres of what is now the heart of Manhattan given away (it was swampland at the time, given to Anneke Jans for community service), for just one example ( I also mention that because some of a certain age might remember an infamous lawsuit that certain lawyers tried to build . . .)].
Ya just gotta laugh sometimes.

And I've done pretty well enough on my own, ty. No grief over the missing silver spoon and matching full service set. Even though I love silver. lol Can still set a nice table and enjoy eating dinner at the table most every night.
I don't need much stuff, guess that's almost sinful to say here these days, but it's true. I don't like to buy things that I'll throw away the next day, after the party or dinner or holiday. I pity people whose egos are in their cars.
I also like that antiquated notion of quality and prefer to have a few things that'll last years, if not decades (like my Burberry winter coat) and try to avoid mindless, even physically and environmentally harmful, consumption that is the bedrock of the chemical/outsourced industrial economy of the past several decades.
Drives so many heartless, cut throat of the planet bottom lines, though.
Ford's dream was to have the car "grown from the soil." And sadly, I just learned that, even after growing up in Mich.

Believe me, I enjoy and share the tapestry, it's fun to review history with a personal connection, and many talents and defects that I have do seem genetic (not to say that I don't have more defects than talents ; ); I sometimes think I'm a clone of certain ancestors when I read about them; nurture was very different in times past.

Like Ci said recently, "Everyone has a story" well the back stories, the stories of all who helped produce that person, are so interesting, too. That's All of us, Folks, and I love it.

You said "I take the family mythos (genealogists actually do the opposite of what I do) and use it to confirm or disprove historical "truth"."

I really didn't understand what you were saying about your work, Ras, although I'm very interested . . . you're working on your Master's now, right? And it reminds me of one of the best genealogists in one of my lines saying that the family's history is rich enough without adding myth (regarding another Native American possible ancestor that we can't prove but anectodally). But it sounds like you're doing something beyond that.
Yes, I'm a record collector. Fact checker. Archivist. Know where family collections are held. Have years and many more miles more work to do.
But the mythos side is intriguing. Please share.

We've done pretty well, immediate family and beyond, without doing any harm (I'm talking the kind that it takes to be a DuPont, Mellon, Hearst, Rockefeller, Bush, Ford, Clinton, etc) to others or the environment, from what I know. And that's talking about (post invasion) from the early 1600's . . . Also see the marginalization of Dutch American colonial history in greater light.

Have distant and not so distant relations to some of the people I respect most in history. Fave Presidents, first ladies, writers, scientists, educators and all. Dutch colonists, including female Esophus Treaties translators, midwives (no ERA was needed there, tyvm); Huguenots, oh, I won't bore you further, and I can't believe anyone would read this far ; ). . .

I'm reviewing history with a much more personal view now. It really makes me appreciate our (failing) country and the history of all citizens (some of my ancestors were slaveholders (16-early1700's) I almost vomited the first time I learned of the extent that some held. I forgive them, well at least a bit, the more I read about their later work.  (Frederick Douglass is in my very top tier of Heroes, with DaVinci, Descartes, Galileo and others, btw); not all my interracial relatives are as close as the ones I know (aunt and uncle, 1st cousins, their children), I'm sure).

Also have the pleasure of being the great granddaughter of Lithuanian immigrants. My Lithuanian ethnic grandmother was a 1st gen American, the other, beyond DAR to Dutch American Colonists (another marginalized group),  Amerind and etc. and eventually tying in with the English (but to no great extent). Both of my Grandmothers taught me a lot, not the least about the depression, lots of stories from them and my older friends have really helped shape my world view (one Gma saved everything, one learned to cull frequently, guess which was which). Once again, sorry for going on, but genealogy is pretty new to me and I'm really into it.
Jeez, I might get worse, not better, on the potentially obnoxious scale as the research goes on : ). Might get some feedback from concerned and/or delete fatigued citizens here, huh?

Family history share anyone? I know a lot of people here are into history.

Arghh, guess I really did need to go on and on tonight?

Rantingly yours,
Lisa




raschueller <raschueller@yahoo.com> wrote:

--- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, lisa pallez <lisapallez@...> wrote:
>
> Haha.
> I'm into genealogy, family has been here since the 1600's, have
native American ancestors, too, but can't date that, and often my
reaction is "another fortune p*****d away! For those in my direct line
who really had something and for those who didn't invest properly.
> Has happened forever.
> Let's be kind and imagine that they weren't driven by greed ; ).
>
Thats actually a good part of what I do in my work. I take the family
mythos (genealogists actually do the opposite of what I do) and use it
to confirm or disprove historical "truth".

All I can say is don't be hard on your ancestors. Old money is rare.
The more children you have the more diffuse the money becomes. The
longer your family is here the more they are likely to have and to
loose. But they are part of the tapestry and all you can do is take
what they gave you and make the best apples you can. In the end you
are a product of an unending line of hope. That is of itself is a
pretty beautiful thing.

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