Re: [Dems2008] Re: Media finally confirms Obama won Texas

The fact of the matter is that both FL and MI should be penalized.  I can't say about MI because I do not know the circumstances there but in FL there is justification.  I contend it was too harsh; the delegate strength should have been cut in half; the credentials committee of the DNC Has that option.  they choose to deprive fl of all delegates.  and if it stands, it could have serious consequences to the general election.  It doesn't matter whether it is Obama or clinton- whoever the candidate is will be blamed.  fl is being used as a political football by both candidates; floridians resent that and the november election will say that. 

 

Ed

----- Original Message ----
From: "catpurdy@aol.com" <catpurdy@aol.com>
To: Dems2008@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2008 9:21:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Dems2008] Re: Media finally confirms Obama won Texas

I know there have been several lawsuits over FL & MI.  It may not be unconstitutional, but it IS undemocratic.

libertylsmom@yahoo.com writes:

Yes, if you are a true democrat, not just a B.O. fan, you would think these things are wrong.  The caucuses, the Florida and Mich. vote. Come on people,  you can't say these things are fair.  You say, "those were the rules", well, the rules were wrong in the first place.  I am still waiting for litigation over the Fla. &Mich. votes.  It will happen sooner or later.  The DNC taking away votes has got to be unconstitutional or something!  Does anyone have any ideas on that?

catspurdy <catpurdy@aol.com> wrote:

Have to agree with isabelle:

Caucuses are undemocratic

March 8, 2008 · 10 CommentsThe turnout for caucuses was extremely low
compared to primaries with numbers like 1 and 2%. Caucuses also tend
to be classist because most people don't have time to caucus.
Caucuses had an average turnout of 6.4% of eligible voters. The
turnout for primaries was almost five times higher at 30%, with
healthy numbers like 30 and 40%. Obama won 13 caucuses, Clinton 2.
Here are the stunning numbers:Caucus turnouts:
Iowa 16.3%
Nevada 9.5%
Alaska 5.0%
Colorado 5.5%
Idaho 2.1%
Kansas 1.9%
Minnesota 7.2%
New Mexico 11.2%
North Dakota 5.9%
Nebraska 1.0%
Maine 4.8%
Primary turnouts:
New Hampshire 52.5%
Michigan 20.2%
Florida 33.8%
South Carolina 30.4%
Alabama 31.7%
Arizona 23.7%
Arkansas 26.0%
California 40.0%
Connecticut 19.8%
Delaware 23.7%
Georgia 32.7%
Illinois 32.6%
Massachusetts 38.7%
Missouri 32.6%
New Jersey 30.2%
Oklahoma 28.7%
Tennessee 26.4%
Utah 23.7%
Louisiana 19.3%
New York 18.8%
D.C. 28.5%
Maryland 27.3%
Virginia 26.9%
Washington 27.3%
Wisconsin 36.5%
Ohio 40.5%
Rhode Island 28.5%
Texas 28.3%
Vermont 39.2%

--- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, isabelle_ms <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
>Texas just proves that caucuses are not indicative of popular vote,
>so how do any of us really know how the other caucus states would
>have voted if they had a private primary vote. Do you think it's
>fair that deployed military cannot vote in caucuses? I never
>realized, as I imagine most people in states where caucuses aren't
>used, just how undemocratic they are. I know it doesn't matter at
>this point, but they should be done away with after this year. You
>would saying the same thing if Obama was in this position, the only
>difference is that the media would be backing him up. Obama will
get
>the nomination in large part because of caucuses, and then I guess
we
>won't know until November whether we put forth the strongest
>candidate or just another loser. Lanny Davis, yes I know he's a
>Hillary supporter, quoted a poll last night that said Obama is now
>tied with McCain in Massachusetts, and if we could lose there, we
can
>lose it all.
>
>--- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com, Rob Harrington <Eamon1916@> wrote:
>>
>>Again... they only are complaining about caucuses AFTER they lose
>them... Find me one instance of a Clinton campaign staffer
>complaining that caucuses were undemocratic from BEFORE Iowa.
>>
>>Slainte,
>>Rob Harrington
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----
>>From: nancy m gibson <nmgibson@>
>>To: Dems2008@yahoogroups.com
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2008 11:45:19 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Dems2008] Media finally confirms Obama won Texas
>>
>>
>>How interesting considering Hillary won the popular vote just
>>proves how Democratic the so called Democratic party really is.
>>Nan
>>
>>NEVER COMPLAIN AND NEVER EXPLAIN: MOVE IMMEDIATELY
>>TO ATTACK---------------from The Lion &The Unicorn
>>
>>Media finally confirms Obama won Texas
>>
>>
>>
>>From Associated Press- Obama wins 99 delegates to Clinton's 94
total
>>of primary and caucuses.
>>
>

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