__._,_.___----- Original Message -----From: Edward HochmanSent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 8:46 PMSubject: Re:Re:Re: [Dems2008] new democrat hereI have a 13 year old niece, smart but was caught by parents posing at my space as a 16 yr old. Many children that age want to be older: i would sometimes like to be younger.
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Date: Fri, Apr 11, 2008 02:09 AM
Subject: Re:Re: [Dems2008] new democrat here
Ed, thanks; at least one person got the point (point getting is not
Suzi's strong suit): the story was of a 16 yr old who (if he is to
be believed) met a 13 yr old at a teen club and thought she
lookedlike the 16 yrs old she said she was.
Would depend on the facts, or the plausibility (at my age, every
woman between the ages of 18 and 36 looks the same age to me), but
there is a serious question whether that 16 yr old should spend the
rest of his life on the sex offender registry.
To Suzi, of course, he's male, and that makes him guilty of whatever
one can conjure up. Suzi's got real gender identity issues you know.
--- In Dems2008@yahoogroups.com , "Edward Hochman" <whovian7_2000@...>
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> Both people well under .16 should be penalized for life while not
compqehending the ramifications of their actinns . Sounds fair?
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> From: suzi meyers <libertylsmom@...>
> To: <Dems2008@yahoogroups.com >
> Date: Thu, Apr 10, 2008 01:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [Dems2008] new democrat here
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> Absolutely no tolerance for child molesters regardless of age.
Predatory behavior is hard to change if not impossible, Those boys
or girls grow up doing the same thing. Hang 'em in public, hang 'em
high. That's the only cure, and the only way to put them out of
everyones misery. Go peddle your defense of demons elsewhere!!!!!
>
> "rickyslife.com" <rickyslife@ ...> wrote: Hi, I'm new
anda democrat. Anyone know any Democrat politicians who will take a
interest in the story below?
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> Please sign our petition to enact laws for Romeo and Juliet:
Thank you! http://www.rickyslife.com/
http://www.lacitybeat.com/cms/ story/detail/ is_ricky_ really_a_ sex_offen
der/6726/ California's registry for life may soon include
promiscuous kids By Hanna Ingber Win
> When Ricky was 16, he went to a teen club and met a girl named
Amanda, who said she was the same age. They hit it off and were
eventually havinghttp://www.rickyslife. sex. At the time Rickycom
thought it was a pretty normal high school romance.
> Two years later, Ricky is a registered sex offender, and his life
is destroyed.
> Amanda turned out to be 13. Ricky was arrested, tried as an
adult, and pleaded guilty to the charge of lascivious acts with a
child, which is a class D felony in Iowa. It is not disputed that the
sex was consensual, but intercourse with a 13-year-old is illegal in
Iowa.
> Ricky was sentenced to two years probation and 10 years on the
Iowa online sex offender registry. Ricky and his family have since
moved to Oklahoma, where he will remain on the state's public
registry for life.
> Being labeled a sex offender has completely changed Ricky's life,
leading him to be kicked out of high school, thrown out of parks,
taunted by neighbors, harassed by strangers, and unable to live
within 2,000 feet of a school, day-care center or park. He is
prohibited from going to the movies or mall with friends because it
would require crossing state borders, which he cannot do without
permission from his probation officer. One of Ricky's neighbors
called the cops on him, yelled and cursed at him, and videotaped him
every time he stepped outside, Ricky said.
> "It affects you in every way," he said. "You're scared to go out
places. You're on the Internet, so everybody sees your picture."
> His mother, Mary, said the entire family has felt the
ramifications of Ricky being labeled a sex offender. His younger
brother has been ridiculed at school and cannot have friends over to
the house; his stepfather has been harassed; the parents' marriage
has been under tremendous pressure; and strangers used to show up at
their door to badger the family. One neighbor came to the house and
told Mary he wasn't going to leave them alone until they took
their "child rapist" away, so they moved, she said.
> California is currently deciding if it will comply with a federal
sex offender act that would put adolescent sex offenders as young as
14 on a national public registry, like the one Ricky is on in
Oklahoma. Supporters say the act would improve public safety, but
critics argue it would stigmatize thousands of teenagers. The law,
called the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act of 2006, would
require states to submit information on youth deemed delinquent in
juvenile court of aggravated sexual abuse to the registry
> Juveniles affected by the act would range from those who used
force or drugs to rape another person, to those who have had any
sexual contact with a child under the age of 12. If a 14-year-old
touches an 11-year-old's penis, the 14-year-old would be eligible for
the public registry.
> Human rights advocates and even some prominent sex crime
prevention groups warn this is one more act in a long list of sex-
offender laws across the country that appeals to voters but is
ineffective and counterproductive. They argue that almost all sex
offender laws in the United States fail to solve the problem of sex
crimes because they drive people underground, block paths to
treatment and focus on a high-profile case, like that of 6-year-old
Adam Walsh, who was abducted from a Florida department store and
killed in 1981, and miss the fuller picture of sexual violence.
> A few heinous, high-profile sex crimes capture the media's
attention, and the result is more Draconian sex-offender laws, such
as Megan's Law and Jessica's Law, said Sarah Tofte of Human Rights
Watch, which recently released a report on sex-offender laws
called "No Easy Answers: Sex Offender Laws in the U.S."
> "We have created these laws and we apply them to anyone convicted
of a sex crime regardless of their risk to the community," Tofte
said.
> Megan's Law requires public registration for adult sex offenders.
If Jessica's Law,
> approved by voters in 2006, overcomes challenges in court, it
would prohibit adult registered sex offenders from living 2,000 feet
within a school or park and require those paroled from prison to wear
lifetime GPS monitors. Unlike the Adam Walsh Act, Megan's Law and
Jessica's Law generally do not affect registered juveniles, according
to California Deputy Attorney General Janet Neeley.
> While the media focuses on the stories of the child being raped
and killed by a stranger, the Human Rights Watch report states that
80-90 percent of the offenses against children are committed by
someone the victim knows.
> If California complies with the Adam Walsh Act, the law would be
retroactive, and the offenders would be listed on the registry for
life. They would be classified as Tier III offenders and forced to
register with law enforcement authorities every three months, or risk
being charged with a felony and going to prison for at least one year.
> The act, sponsored by Wisconsin Republican Congressman F. James
Sensenbrenner, Jr. and 37 co-sponsors – including former Florida
representative Mark Foley – was signed into law by President Bush on
July 27, 2006, and gives states three years to comply or risk losing
10 percent of federal Byrne money, which are law enforcement grants
worth $5 million in California. The Department of Justice is
formulating the final guidelines.
> Congressional co-sponsors of the law and crime-victim advocates
have hailed the bill as an opportunity to improve community safety by
increasing penalties for sex crimes, better tracking of sex
offenders, and making it harder for predators to reach children on
the Internet.
> "The Adam Walsh Act intends to register convicted sexual
offenders, 14 and older, who have committed the most violent sexual
abuses," said California Congressman Ken Calvert, a Republican from
Riverside, in an e-mail. "If a juvenile has committed such a crime,
the safety of our community and children supersedes the rights of the
juvenile who, at the age of 14, understands the difference between
right and wrong."
> A father pleas for
> harsh penalties
> Child-protection advocates argue that it is more important to
hold juvenile sex offenders responsible for their actions than to
worry about them being stigmatized by the registry or punished too
harshly.
> "We have to put the safety of our kids before the civil rights of
someone who's already proven they will hurt a kid," said Mark Zyla,
who became an activist for tougher sex offender laws after his two
daughters were sexually assaulted in separate instances. "Being on
the registry doesn't keep people from rehabilitating; it doesn't keep
them from getting a job It may be more difficult, but that's part of
the consequence of hurting a young child."
> Zyla's daughter Amie was violently sexually assaulted by a 14-
year-old, Joshua Wade, when she was eight. Wade was a family friend
and attacked Amie, who is now 20, during a sleepover party at her
house, Mark Zyla said. Wade was tried as a juvenile and sent to a
juvenile detention center. But because his record was sealed, he was
able to later get a job at a summer camp, where he went on to assault
more young girls. He has since been sentenced to 25 years in prison.
> The Zylas helped pass a law in their home state of Wisconsin to
enable law enforcement officials to release information on juvenile
sex offenders if they pose a threat to society. They then lobbied
Congress to pass the federal Adam Walsh Act. If states comply with
the Adam Walsh Act, Mark Zyla said, local law-enforcement agencies
would know about juvenile sex offenders like Wade and be able to
inform schools and places of employment.
> Los Angeles Police Department detectives said registries
significantly help them track down sex offenders. If they have an
unsolved sex crime, they can take the description of the suspect,
plug it into the database and look for a match, said Detective Diane
Webb, a supervisor of LAPD's sex-offender registration and tracking
program.
> The DNA and registration databases enable detectives to clear old
cases and find patterns of crime, said Detective Jesse Alvarado of
LAPD's rape special section.
> The registries also help inform the public, Webb said.
> "Not only does registration give law enforcement a first place to
look, it also provides information to the public," she said. She
added that people should be allowed to know if sex offenders live in
their community so they can, at the very least, decide if they want
to date them or have them baby-sit their children.
> The detectives disagree on whether the registry should include
juveniles, who commit 17 percent of all sex offenses and about a
third of all sex offenses against children, according to the National
Center on Sexual Behavior of Youth. Alvarado said he thinks it would
be helpful to have a database like the Adam Walsh one for juvenile
offenders. "Giving us an ability to look for somebody would always be
a good thing," Alvarado said.
> Webb said she agreed with juvenile justice experts that juveniles
should be treated differently from adults.
> One of the reasons the law came into effect was because of the
more than 100,000 missing or non-compliant sex offenders. They are
part of the 603,000 registered sex offenders nationwide, according to
the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.
> "When they're on the run and they're not compliant, they become
more dangerous," Mark Zyla said. "They're not getting their treatment
and they're free to do whatever they want."
> Supporters also said juveniles would not be stigmatized for life
because a section of the law stipulates that youth deemed delinquent
in juvenile court can get off the registry after 25 years if they are
not convicted of another sex crime and have successfully completed a
sex offender treatment program.
> However, juvenile justice advocates, public defenders and
prominent sex crime prevention groups have
> criticized the law, arguing that it would make it harder for
youth to reintegrate into society, further break from the tradition
of treating children differently from adults, be ineffective, and
cost the state millions.
> "Imagine writing down the worst thing you ever did when you were
a teenager, or an adult, and being forced to put that on a placard on
your forehead. This is, in effect, what registration does to these
youth," L.A. County Deputy Public Defender Maureen Pacheco wrote in
an e-mail.
> "They must disclose these offenses when they apply for school,
when they apply for jobs, if they want to get licensed or bonded,"
she wrote. "In other words, in all the ways a youth might seek to
become rehabilitated, we shut the door."
> The case for leniency
> Juvenile justice advocates said they fear the Adam Walsh Act
would make it harder to rehabilitate young sex offenders because it
would ostracize them from society. There is no direct research
showing the psycho-social effects of registering on youth, say
experts.
> "But common sense would tell you that having your name, picture,
and home address on the Internet as a sex offender at age 8, 12, or
even 14 could be devastating in terms of peer relationships,
community [relations], ability to stay in school, and involvement in
church activities," said Dr. Barbara Bonner, an expert on sex
offenses and co-director of the Adolescent Sex Offender Treatment
Program at the University of Oklahoma Health Sciences Center.
> The law is counterproductive because young people are more likely
to be rehabilitated and successful in the future if they get involved
with social activities like sports, bands, choir, or a job, she said.
> Juvenile justice advocates also criticize the law for treating
and punishing youth as adults rather than focusing on rehabilitation.
The basic concept of the juvenile justice system is to treat young
people differently from adult offenders because they are considered
less responsible for their actions and more receptive to
rehabilitation and treatment.
> Almost every state ensures that if a child is adjudicated or
deemed delinquent – juvenile court does not convict youth – he or she
does not have to submit information to a public registry, according
to Tara Andrews of the Coalition for Juvenile Justice, a national
nonprofit comprised of governor-appointed advisory groups. Andrews
said she finds the Adam Walsh Act most troublesome because
it "reaches out and grabs kids who were adjudicated as juveniles. The
Adam Walsh Act sweeps in and says we still want these kids on the
registry."
> Critics also fear it will cost millions of dollars to follow and
would not be worth the money the state might lose for not complying.
If the federal Attorney General's office finds that California has
not made a "good faith conduct" to comply with the Adam Walsh Act,
the Attorney General can reduce the federal Byrne funds allocated to
that jurisdiction for law enforcement resources.
> "We think the cost of compliance might greatly outweigh the
benefits of losing 10 percent of the Byrne funds," said Pacheco.
> Critics fear the massive costs will include applying this law to
a state as populated as California, complying with the federal
classification system and DNA collection.
> It costs more to enact a federal act than individual state laws
because a federal law does not take into consideration a state's
specific needs and resources, said Robert Coombs of the California
Coalition Against Sexual Assault, a statewide coalition of rape
crisis centers and prevention programs.
> It would also be costly because the categories the federal
government uses to distinguish between different levels of sex crimes
do not match the ones California uses. The federal act assigns sex
offenders to a numbered level, while California uses other
distinctions, such as "sexually violent predator." To comply,
California would have to either run two concurrent leveling systems
or completely revamp its present system, Coombs said.
> Another cost would be gathering the DNA samples of individuals
affected by the Adam Walsh Act. Adults and juveniles convicted of any
felony or sex offense already have their DNA collected, but the cost
for testing DNA samples has exceeded expectations. The Los Angeles
Police Department needs $9.3 million to clear up a backlog of
untested samples. Since the Adam Walsh Act is retroactive, it would
require collection and analysis of DNA samples from adults and
juveniles convicted before the DNA regulations, which did not start
until 2004.
> Supporters of the law argue the high cost of putting the act into
effect is worth the safety of the community.
> "There just is no higher purpose for government than keeping the
public safe," said Will Smith, State Senator George Runner's
spokesperson. The Antelope Valley Republican sponsored Jessica's Law.
> Recidivism rates fail to prove the law effective or
counterproductive, and both advocates and critics of the law use the
statistics to support their arguments. Data from the Justice
Department shows that 5.3 percent of male sex offenders released from
prisons in 15 states in 1994 were rearrested for a new sex crime
within three years of release. Juvenile justice advocates, on the
other hand, look at recidivism rates among teenagers, which show that
the rates of sexual re-offense are substantially lower, at 5 to 18
percent, than the rates for other delinquent behavior, which is 8 to
58 percent, according to the National Center on Sexual Behavior of
Youth.
> The California Sex Offender Management Board will evaluate the
law and might recommend to the legislature and governor whether it
should be complied with, according to board chair Suzanne Brown-
McBride. The decision rests with Attorney General Jerry Brown, Gov.
Schwarzenegger and the Legislature. California is home to 90,000
registered adult sex offenders and 2,528 registered juvenile sex
offenders.
> "The state is reviewing the act and evaluating the potential
impact it will have on the state," said Gareth Lacy, a Brown
spokesman. "California has a long history of setting tough laws
mandating sex-offender registration."
> Runner will be watching the outcome. If California's current laws
do not conform to the federal act, the state senator plans to
introduce a bill.
> Ricky is now 19 and trying to bring some normalcy back to his
life. But that's practically impossible. In between monthly meetings
with his probation officer, he's been trying to find a job.
> However, employers haven't been eager to hire a registered sex
offender He wants to get a college degree, yet that, too, is
problematic. He's worried his classmates would find him on the
registry and start harassing him. "I have to watch my back all of the
time," he said. "Once people find out, they panic. They don't know
the real story."
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> Email: rickyslife@...
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