>
> You do still have civil rights as dictated by the constitution, but
they are controlled and lessened.
First you said this:
> >> Again, if you are convicted of committing a felony, you've given up
> your civil rights. FACT. PERIOD. EXCLAFUCKINGMATION POINT! Look> it
up Raschuller, it's on the books, The GD law books.
Two different things. Plus they go to the HEART of the matter. Your
statement this morning was made in a cold state. It is rational and
correct. The earlier statement was made in a hot state. It is a
sentiment based on emotion and passion. Justice as much as possible
needs to be devoid of decisions based on emotion. As we erode our
civil liberties the barriers that make us civilized cease to be
barriers. Justice is blind and it is also dispassionate. Too often in
our history justice made in a "hot" state has resulted in abominations.
>>> You can no longer bear arms which is constitutional right, yet
you don't mind that one, just don't put your name on a list. That is
not a constitutional right.
The problem with putting your name on a list is two fold. First doing
it in perpetuity is cruel and unusual punishment. Keep in mind that it
is not JUST rapists and child molesters whose names are on this list.
This includes ALL sex offenders. That can result in some very
unintended consequences. For instance there have been men arrested for
cruising and have been put on the sex offender registry. Secondly,
lets look at a case from Johnson city Tennessee.
Here is the link:
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2007/oct/02/sex-sting-johnson-city-parks-nets-40-arrests/
In Short: An undercover investigation into public sex in Johnson City
parks led to the arrest of 40 men in two weeks. there was a location
known as "the man cave" where men would routinely cruise for sex.
The names of EVERY suspect arrested was published in the local
newspaper. ALONG with addresses and phone numbers. This is NOT
something they do in all cases. But the feeling was that sexual
offenders represent a "special" category. One person rightfully said
that what we have returned to is a day in the stocks. Soemthing that
has been considered untolerable by todays standards. The result:
Less than 24 hours after Johnson City police announced charges against
dozens of men allegedly involved in sex acts at city parks, one of
those accused is believed to have killed himself. A resident of
Newland, N.C., 55-year-old Jerry McCloud reportedly was found dead
inside his home around 10 a.m. Tuesday. Authorities told a source in
Avery County, N.C., that McCloud died from a self-inflicted gunshot
wound. His body reportedly was found by a family member.
>>> A person with a felony 1, for example, no longer, after that due
process has found you guilty, no longer has the civil rights of the
rest of us. No more freedom and pursuit of happiness, that's for
sure. They are even stripped of the right to LIVE in some cases, So
to hell with civil rights in that case.
Still we do not allow say... wild dogs to rip felons apart. We have a
an amendment preventing cruel and unusual behavior. Even in cases
where we resort to taking a life (an issue I also deeply oppose)we
have to follow guidelines involving cruel and unusual punishment.
>
> You are a gay man, no children I am assuming.
>
Wrong. Straight. Wrong I have children.
> Good job to criticize the use of caps. That gives away a weakness
you know? It says you are not certain of yourself. When all else
fails, you condemn spelling, grammar, and the use of caps!!
I was not critical of your use of caps. I use caps. I was saying that
no matter how much you emphasize what your saying it does not make it
true. Read caps as adamant. I am firm about critiquing format,
grammar, or spelling. It is a refuge of a small mind. I apologize for
the misunderstanding.
>>> You are certainly smart, I'll give you that. However, you seem to
lack the ability to draw a line. Don't try to tell me what law
enforcement takes an oath to protect, I know. Are you or your
partner a peace officer? A military man?
Actually I was in the military for eight years. Two tours in combat.
My partner is an ICU nurse, SHE has been so for 20 years.
>>>>>I didn't think so. I have wasted enough time on you. It
doesn't matter what I say, You will only see misspelled words and the
like.
No obviously I read what you write carefully. I never see misspelled
words because I can't spell worth a darn.
>>>>>Your mind is already made up. So is mine. You need to find
someone else to take up for. Molesters and rapists are no longer
deserving. I know you would change your mind about it if you had such
a horrible experience or someone you truly cared about suffered this.
As it is, I question your ability to have a clear opinion on this
subject because your speaking from the point of a non victim.
Actually Mario Cuomo answered this very well. In 1988 Dukakus was
asked in a debate what he would do if his wife were raped and
murdered. This question fell on the heels of being asked about the
death penalty. Dukakis did a poor job of answering. But Cuoma answered
it later...
If my wife were raped and killed I would hunt down the son of a bitch
and kill him. I would want him to suffer. But thats not justice. Our
justice system should be blind and impartial. It is not a justice
system based on passion or anger or revenge. If we give our system up
then we have given up the one thing that truly makes us a great nation.
Thank you also
> for inferring that I am crazy. Your a true asshole. Your mother
must be so very proud!
>
I never said you were a crazed nut.
> Thats why we do not have a crazed nut serving up justice. Justice is
> blind for a reason.
Justice is made in the cold state. Not the moments of passion. Jack
Ruby is not the arm of the law.
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