>
> raschueller@... writes:
>
> "I did not get driven to this position of despising Clinton by ANYTHING
> put out by the Obama campaign."
>
> If you despise a candidate, you can't really be objective about them.
>
Sure I can. I have posted in the last two days two very positive
things about Clinton. One being her stand over the Olympic Opening
ceremonies... she is right. Obama is wrong. I said that she has
handled the recent questions on Iraq withdrawal perfectly.
Still won't vote for her because as soon as she has a positive opening
she goes the other direction. This elitist crap she is trying would
KILL her if she ever got the nomination. She gets them stirred up over
Guns and God? What would she expect to have happen in the fall. She
will get eaten by the tiger. She ACTUALLY is legitimizing the issues
that ALL Democrats get killed over... we gained a few precious seats
in PA. Now she is stirring up the very forces that kill our chances in
the fall. All to get nominated?
> People who support Clinton didn't all get there easily either. But you
> portray us as mantra-spouting, flaming feminists or traitors to the
party because
> we're not ready to line up behind Obama. That isn't fair either.
Ummm no never said that in the least.. I NEVER said flaming
feminist(not remotely something I would say or imply nor did I say
that her supporters were traitors to the party. I did say there is a
mantra to the Clinton camp... it goes something like this: she is
being picked on because she is a girl and all of you think we are
flaming feminists.
By and large Hillarys support has remained constant. She maintains
about a 48% in party base. Beginning of the election to now... 48 -
48.7... yes there are a FEW he moved from other candidates to Clinton.
About .7% or so.
>
> 4 years ago I favored Edwards and campaigned for Kerry.
> This year Evan Bayh, Hillary and Biden were early favorites.
> Bayh has been more passionate in his support of Clinton than
> he was as a candidate and couldn't compete for money.
> Always loved Biden and am sorry he didn't get further in the process
- would
> love to see him as Secretary of State.
So what you are saying is that in this race you supported Hillary from
the beginning. You Also supported Biden... ok thats hardly the hard
journey to make it into the Hillary camp is it? I actually did not
care for Obama in the beginning. I thought he was an after thought and
his running was not a positive for the party. I saw Hillary and
Edwards and less experienced than Biden, and between the two of them
Biden might be able to crack the nut. Obama made Biden a third tier
candidate.
>
> I was open to Obama before New Hampshire, but always was skeptical
that he
> wasn't "all" he was cracked up to be. Everything I've learned since
then has
> only reinforced that initial feeling.
I said I would have voted for Hillary until a month ago. I did not
have to be shown or spun. It was Hillary and her campaign that made me
realize this is not something i want to be a part of. Whether you
accept my position or not realize this. I have worked... (knocked on
doors even for Kerry) every campaign since 1980 ... in 80 I actually
supported Anderson. Since then all democrats. This is the FIRST
election I will sit out. If Hillary gets the nod i will not work for
her... unless Marsha Blackburn gets the VP nod for McCain. She has
driven a wedge between her and a growing part of this party. Fine
Obama is not all he is cracked up to be. Not sure what that means
other than buying into the negative Clinton spin, but at least HE is
not the one driving you away. He has faults, you don't want him as a
candidate because of those faults and I can respect that. But
understand this... Hillary INTENTIONALLY drove me out. It was not any
Spin it was her OWN campaign. She decided she wanted to win at all
cost. Well the cost is a growing part of this party. I will not
support her in the fall or ever again... thats the cost she was
willing to pay.
>
> I posted this months ago and it hasn't changed:
> "I like to be inspired as much as the next person, but the problems
facing
> the next President are so massive that I cannot support someone
whose mettle has
> not been tested and whose resume is as thin as his.
OK them vote McCain. His resume is ten times as deep. I guess you did
not vote for Clinton in 92. Or Dukakis. They had a paper thin resume.
I guess then you voted for Bush Sr. twice.
>
> Hillary knows the military, and has massive military support.
Oh yeah... the military adores Hillary. How many of us believe that?
Don't ask don't tell is HATED by the military, the brass opposes her
withdraw plan... ummm no she does not have massive support.
She knows the
> economy, health care, and she's winning the big states. She knows
the heads
> of state around the world.
Really? How many heads of state does she know? Oh yeah she knows
Fransci... oh wait no he is gone... what about Ton... oh no he is gone
too. Well what abo.... get the point. I think the head of Libya is
still the same guy...
She knows what the job entails. She's tough as
> nails, smart as a whip and knows how to fight the right wing. So I
think she's
> the best choice for November."
OK great... I don't.
>
> The latest gaffe in PA is only one of the things the other side will
pummel
> Obama with.
Its not the other side doing it... its HILLARY doing it. She is
killing us by running a pro McCain campaign. Come on.. Guns and God?
How does that help ANY democrat in the fall??????
>
> As far as the campaigns - Clinton's has no doubt been flawed, but
George Bush
> ran a tight campaign and turned into a lousy President. So I don't
think the
> two can be correlated, even historically.
Bush won. Thats what this is about. Winning. Half of your point is a
rambling about how Obama can't win in the fall. How can Hillary win?
She is a lousy campaigner. And a good part of this party will not
follow her.
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